LW drivers

[AKSeaWulfe]

 

Originally posted by funked:
What I meant is that the factory records show that 45 H models built is a more accurate figure.
(edited 10-23-2000).]

I have two sources showing 150+ built. Whether they were armed, had engines or even got off the factory lines before being destroyed or left to rot, I do not know.
-SW

[funked]

Sounds right SW.  I don't know which stage of production Werknummern were assigned at, but the author of Verm's book purports to have tracked down the Werknummern of all the H's that were completed.

[minus]

what a hell is a Pony H >?  and jug M ?
they need alwayes superior plane to kill Lw ?
and when we ask for dora to finaly much something up the actualy pony the y call us whiner  
so what a hell is the pony H and JUG M ?
hope not  a uber super nuklear misile armed ufos ?

[Wardog]

No, Typhoon kill LW planes just nicely. We dont need no stinkin p51H  

Just more LW drivers,im running outa targets...

Dog out.

[gatt]

GATT definitely lost his hope for a balanced plane set and good scenarios ...... I'm happy for all you strato-laser-lightspeed and "what-if" events guys.

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GATT
4° Stormo Caccia - Knights

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[Westy]

never mind


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thx westy , for me  the best WW2 plane is the tempest V i become Lw driver just about never got the tempest in Wb now i stick on hardly with 190   dora can finaly deal with other planes i just hope dora will be inaf Tricky to fly , if anly doras will see all around me that will p.s me realy off  
tempest V  will be a real danger for any plane, jsut plz remember tempest pilots Always loked to fight below 12-15 K  so  pork the plane inaf to not see him to furbal at 20 K like typhie  now and made him excel below 15 k  , becose Ah not have realistic weather conditions simulated the unrealistic 25 K pony bounce  work , in real life if u high u fight high if u low u fight low planes defenitely Ah need some Fog thinky to limit visibility from 20k and above , dan 3 Km  distance and moving low and deck in real life  no chance to see anything , actualy i never saw  
in WB  the 110 was my prefered , it was ideal to kill Ho spits  

[Karnak]

Gatt,
You're right.  The Fw190F-8, Fw190D-9, La7, Spitfire MkXIV and Tempest MkV were all "what-if" aircraft that never saw sevice except in the closing few weeks of the war.  And then only in numbers totaling less than 50 per type.

What were we thinking when we asked for these?  I can't imagine.  We know that the war was fought with Bf109E-3s, Bf110C-4s, Hurricane MkIs, Spitfire MkIs, D.520s, I-16s, A5Ms, P-40Bs and C.202s.

Why are we asking for post war aircraft?

Sisu
-Karnak

[GRUNHERZ]

Hi

Big "NO" vote for any plane that didnt see acutal combat! BTW if some of you are so confident of this 332mph figure, why do you want the Ta152 perked so bad??

thanks GRUNHERZ

[Westy]

"Big "NO" vote for any plane that didnt see actual combat! "

 Baloney. Utter clap trap. That would mean that anything Frans Gruber and Sayonara Sam could glue, rivet or tie together and push/pull/shove out a hangar door in 1944-45 was "in combat."  
 There's little difference between a P-51H flying in the skies of Ohio on the same day as a TA-152 flies over Berlin.

 -Westy

[gatt]

 

Gatt,
You're right. The Fw190F-8, Fw190D-9, La7, Spitfire MkXIV and Tempest MkV were all "what-if" aircraft that never saw sevice except in the closing few weeks of the war. And then only in numbers totaling less than 50 per type.
What were we thinking when we asked for these? I can't imagine. We know that the war was fought with Bf109E-3s, Bf110C-4s, Hurricane MkIs, Spitfire MkIs, D.520s, I-16s, A5Ms, P-40Bs and C.202s.
Why are we asking for post war aircraft?

Karnak, you know well that my post is not about production numbers and prototypes. I dont care. I could not care less. My point is: model late-late war aircraft and you'll not be able to design historically accurate and balanced scenarios. Late-late war kites are for Main Arena players, you know what I mean, dont you? With those beautiful, fast, heavily armed kites you'll not be able to design a balanced scenario simply becouse late war is not balanced and is all a "what-if" environment. And, IMHO, these kind of online sims survive only with good scenarios. Only my 2 (weak) Euros.

[juzz]

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The P-51H was the "ultimate" development of the Mustang - lighter and more powerful, with better visibility over the nose. Top speed was 487mph at 25,000ft. I don't think they ever saw any combat - even post-war, since the USAF used the stronger P-51D in Korea.

The P-47M was built to chase down German V-1's and jets in the ETO. It had a 2800HP engine, giving a top speed of 470mph at 30,000ft.
The P-47N was a long-range Thunderbolt for the PTO, with the same engine. It had a redesigned wing with integral fuel tanks. Top speed was 460mph at 30,000ft. Both of these planes saw combat in the last year of WW2.

GRUNHERZ; I wouldn't care if the Ta 152H-1 was an everyday arena plane, but because it had such a limited availability during WW2 compared to other Fw 190 types, it should be "perked" to restrict numbers in the arena. The F4U-1C and Ostwind should be similarly restricted, as they are equally unrepresentative of their kind.

Hey gatt, don't worry - once HTC have modelled all these "uberplanes", put up with 6 months of whining from Luftwhiners when they find out the Allied planes in AH are still "better" - then they might move on to early-war times when Axis planes were well-known to be "better" than the Allies'.  

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[Hristo]

 

Originally posted by juzz:
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Hey gatt, don't worry - once HTC have modelled all these "uberplanes", put up with 6 months of whining from Luftwhiners when they find out the Allied planes in AH are still "better" - then they might move on to early-war times when Axis planes were well-known to be "better" than the Allies'.  

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[RAM]

 

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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by gatt:
Karnak, you know well that my post is not about production numbers and prototypes. I dont care. I could not care less. My point is: model late-late war aircraft and you'll not be able to design historically accurate and balanced scenarios. Late-late war kites are for Main Arena players, you know what I mean, dont you? With those beautiful, fast, heavily armed kites you'll not be able to design a balanced scenario simply becouse late war is not balanced and is all a "what-if" environment. And, IMHO, these kind of online sims survive only with good scenarios. Only my 2 (weak) Euros.

You fly only scenarios? maybe you yes, but the major part of HTC's customers, don't  

And BTW, with Fw190D9, F8s and SpitXIV we can do finally some real NICE Bodenplatte scenarios (given a snowy terrain   ),as the rest of the latewar planeset is ALREADY HERE...(P47D/30,109G10, P51D...)..you get the HINT?

If you are so worried about latewar uberplanes I dont know why have I heard you ask for a Re2005...or why do you have a C205...you can't put many early war scenarios with them, true?...then why don't you whined and asked it to be replaced for a C200 when pyro announced the C205, Gatt?...

 

I'll tell you what happens with you, gatt,and with all italian customers in AH. You have the plane that was the zenith of Italian air design in WWII, the C205. And as there is NOTHIGN better than that done by italians, and you want to fly more italian planes, then you wat to go BACK in time and get the previous planes.

 Of course you know that there wont be many chances to fly them in MA because a CR42 or a C200 will be eaten alive by Chogs...and you wont have many early war scenarios as,so far, there aren't many early war fighters either...

Still you want more italian planes. And to fly in them with more than 5 minute of expectative of life. I understand it,but so far HTC's plans seem to be different.

Sorry man you have your state-of-the-art italian plane, the C205. You have a midwar plane, the C202.

Even you have the last plane used by Italian squadrons in the last days of WWII, the 109G10 (K4)!!!!.

 Regarding fighters you have ALL the fighters that italians used from mid-1942 onwards. You lack bombers, true. But it wont be long before a SM79 is here, I'm sure about it.

 Most people here (british and LW nuts mostly), haven't that luxury. So now be cool and not egoist, and let the people who is flying early 1943 planes (190A5 and Spit IX) or bomber hunter heavyweights (190A8) get planes that we can use in Main Arena, ok?. After it you can go all the back you want.

Think a bit in the rest of the people. Thanks.

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