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Offline Martlet

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« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2003, 12:44:12 AM »
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Grunherz that T-72 is hardly the latest weaponry Russia has to offer.. As the model says it's designed and built first at 1972.

Technology has advanced since then with leaps and bounds, even in russia. Nowadays they even have computers you know!

Poor Saddam was an easy target, his country was impoverished by several years of embargo. His army had no viable weapons to defend itself.



yeah, I saw his flats.   Looked pretty impoverished to me.

Russia is in worse shape than Iraq was.  They're still whining about the money Iraq owes them.  That's chump change.

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« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2003, 12:55:37 AM »
is F-5 fighter series still new when upgraded?





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« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2003, 12:57:10 AM »
No Siaf.

The T72 debacle is clearly proof that russia cheapskates for the export market, hell even boroda had to say that export T72 are inferior after the pasting they recieved all around the world both to heavy armor and infantry anti tank weapons.  And frankly even the old outdated USMC M60 had no trouble wiping out scores of Iraqi T72s in the first gulf war.
 
In fact I'd say the T72  family and the T64/T80 family is one of the most dissapointing and dangerous deathtraps in modern armored warfare. You hardly ever see a picture of any of them knocked out with the turret still on - one penetrating hit almost anywhere by almoast any sort of weaponm and the exposed uncompartmented ammo cooks off instantly  - goodbye tank goodbye crew.

Everyon knows that thr russians are dishonest cheapskates when it comes to suppling foreigners - thats why pravda has to make some nice propaganda about it for home consumption especially after the embarassment of russian arms during this war. Hell we even knocked out one of their vaunted
GPS jammers witrh a JDAM.

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« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2003, 01:29:19 AM »
would portable anti-tank weapons be the future of russian arms instead of selling tanks?

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« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2003, 01:42:58 AM »
Martlett underestimating your enemy is one of the principle mistakes you can make in warfare.

Saddams golden toilet seats were built before the embargo - and even if they weren't it doesn't mean he could go around buying weaponry just as he wished.

In fact those couple weapons found during the attack were probably smuggled in with great trouble, using the scarce finances they could derive from 'oil for food' program - and illegal oil sales which took place regularly as witnessed by reporters.

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« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2003, 02:18:54 AM »
No Siaf.

Saddam spent billions building his palaces after the UN sanctions started - he even spent the UN oil for food money on his palaces and his army. No doubt about it, his palaces and personal luxury were more important to hi than the wellbeing and feeding of his people.

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« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2003, 02:27:01 AM »
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Martlett underestimating your enemy is one of the principle mistakes you can make in warfare.

Saddams golden toilet seats were built before the embargo - and even if they weren't it doesn't mean he could go around buying weaponry just as he wished.

In fact those couple weapons found during the attack were probably smuggled in with great trouble, using the scarce finances they could derive from 'oil for food' program - and illegal oil sales which took place regularly as witnessed by reporters.


odd, for all the lack of weapons Saddam has, the Iraqi people are really complaining about too many laying around.

3rd ID had found 56 weapons caches at last count.  In their sector alone.

I do find it odd that someone from Angola is explaining to me the mistakes of warfare.

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« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2003, 02:31:59 AM »
He is not from angola, he is and "old friend" rom the BBS and now is  some skeered little eurotrash troll...

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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2003, 02:37:23 AM »
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He is not from angola, he is and "old friend" rom the BBS and now is  some skeered little eurotrash troll...


Ahhh, so he's lying about his where abouts.

Good thing I never believed a word he said anyway.

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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2003, 08:53:56 AM »
if he' liberal then you can bet he is being dishonest.  what choice does he have?   angola has so much better "feel" to it.
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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2003, 09:09:26 AM »
It's nice to see you go so defensive all of the sudden Martlett.. :D

There's a reason why I'm hiding my identity - a very practical one.

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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2003, 09:20:04 AM »
:D

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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2003, 09:20:33 AM »
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It's nice to see you go so defensive all of the sudden Martlett.. :D

There's a reason why I'm hiding my identity - a very practical one.


Defensive?  What the heck have I got to be defensive about?  You haven't made an intelligent post.  Ever.

I know there is a practical reason you hide your identity.  If people knew where you were from, they'd realize have the crap you post is based on no first hand knowledge and a huge bias.

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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2003, 09:37:53 AM »
Ike, Your goverment couldve purchased F16s and F15s if they could afford them, which I seriously doubt.

My country, Colombia, does not buy those airplanes...first we cant afford them and second theres no need for them. Our Khafir fighters are updated regularly in their avionics and weapon systems, they may be no F15 or F16, but they do the job of killing Guerrillas and posing a serious threat in the air superiority role should any of our neighbors wish to play pokey.

Any country buying F15s and F16s or Mig29's in hopes of being able to defend itself against a major world power like the USA or Britain are sadly deluded, no matter how good or how many they buy, the bigger boys will always have more of them and with better stuff on them. So why burn money in stupidities?

Take Peru for example. In their "incident" with Ecuador in the 90's they almost came to war.. they had their fighters and helicopters shooting each other... Peru had F16's , Ecuador had POS fighters. In the biggest folly of all , Peru's F16's were grounded because there was not money for spare parts or the fuel to use them in combat, they were too expensive to use or risk using. How much more messed up can you get?

As far as Russian weapons go, you just have to look at what Russia itself is worried about.

The Iraqi army was built from the ground up as a mirror copy of the Russian military, with assistance from Russian military peeps. Their Air defenses, their training, weapons, etc.

And they got WIPED in less than a week by a force which was significantly smaller, on unfamiliar terrain and on the attack role.

Now the russian military is going to be having a MAJOR restructuring after this war. You just wait and see. They have realized that their policy of poorly trained, but numerous (conscript), centralized command,with mass-firepower based army design fails in front of a highly trained, precise and volunteer (motivated), SMALLER force.

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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2003, 09:47:39 AM »
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Ike, Your goverment couldve purchased F16s and F15s if they could afford them, which I seriously doubt.

My country, Colombia, does not buy those airplanes...first we cant afford them and second theres no need for them. Our Khafir fighters are updated regularly in their avionics and weapon systems, they may be no F15 or F16, but they do the job of killing Guerrillas and posing a serious threat in the air superiority role should any of our neighbors wish to play pokey.

 


I've spent a lot of time in Colombia.  One of my favorite countries.   Ahhhh, Cartegena, home of my first love.....