Laci's Baby

[Dune]

I agree with MT.  

Wench.

[Maverick]

Probably a redneck's wench as well..........  

[Frogm4n]

if it can survive outside the womb it should and will be considered a murder. I hate it when people give fodder to the anti abortion groups who could care less about abortions in case of rape or the mothers health. just like im sure they dont like it when pro choice people go on shooting sprees in a doctors office.

[Karnak]

Eagler,

Those people are not the leaders of the oposition.  You chose to see them that way because it behooves your position.  They get more publicity because they are louder and more extreme than the general group and thus generate better ratings and newspaper/magazine sales.

You claiming that those people are my leaders is like me claiming the assasins who shoot doctors are your leaders simply because they get the lions share of the press.

It'd be stupid of either of us to think that way, however I consider those assasins to be anomalies and you consider these whacks to me my leaders.  Why?  The only reason I can see is that by maintaining the fiction that pro-choice people all believe these extreme things you demonize the entire group and once the entire group has been determined to be "evil" you no longer have to consider if their position has any validity.


My personal take is that when organized brain waves start the abortion option goes away, except in cases where the health or life of the woman are at risk.  Organized brain waves begin around the 4th month IIRC.

[koala]

Arguing that until the moment of birth abortion is fine and dandy is an extreme position that defies logic and evidence. So to is the position that a zygote is fully human with rights superceding those of the woman. Both of these positions are representative of the irrational demogogues on both sides of this issue, and when anything happens that they feel threatens their radical take they lash out.

Exactly.  I have a feeling the great majority of the nation feels this way, but we're inundated regularly with the views of the extremists.  It's gotten past old.

[Eagler]

Karnak

OIO - by your post, you are 14, trollin or a moron - or a combo of those three

[Raubvogel]

I used to be pro-choice, but having watched my kids grow up, I've come to the realization that we have absolutely no right to not give a kid a chance. That "group of cells" you're talking about just might be the guy who's going to grow up and cure cancer. Who are we to say?

Only in the case of rape or danger to the mother should it be allowed.

Just my 2 cents.

[OIO]

neither eagler. I just have a different point of view than you do.

[Airhead]

Originally posted by Karnak


My personal take is that when organized brain waves start the abortion option goes away, except in cases where the health or life of the woman are at risk.

So uh...you are saying that the average poster here could qualify as a legal abortion due to lack of brain activity?

[Arfann]

Originally posted by Raubvogel
I used to be pro-choice, but having watched my kids grow up, I've come to the realization that we have absolutely no right to not give a kid a chance. That "group of cells" you're talking about just might be the guy who's going to grow up and cure cancer. Who are we to say?

Only in the case of rape or danger to the mother should it be allowed.

Just my 2 cents.

Of course it could be the next Saddam, too.

[Frogm4n]

next saddam. thats weak. try next hitler or stalin or mao. saddam is a carebear next to most of historys favorite dictators.

[Torque]

Anit-abortions laws just put all the responsibility of unwanted child births upon women and of course the one religion that is a staunch supporter of these laws doesn't even accept women as equals and seems to be more concerned with light collection plates and hiding peds than the actual healthcare of children.


Like an equal law saying all men over twenty not married must have a vasectomy would have a snowball chance in hell.

I thought we stopped clubbing women over the head and dragging them back to the cave years ago.

[Tumor]

I'll be pro-choice when they make it legal for me to kill people who are preventing me from furthering my career.

[mjolnir]

Originally posted by AKIron
I'll advocate pro-choice if they'll add ages 13-19 yrs as legally abortable.

Just think of it as a 60th trimester abortion....

[Naso]

Originally posted by Eagler
The second murder charge against Peterson is crucial because he otherwise would not be eligible for the death penalty. The double-murder charge qualifies as a "special circumstance" for which capital punishment may be sought.

So, the problem is to kill the man?

This quote is good to start a death penalty flamewar, too