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Offline Eagler

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« on: April 21, 2003, 07:08:37 AM »
or is he considered a "baby" since he, Connor, wasn't born at the time of his and his mother's murder?

Just wonder ing where you pro choicer stand on this.. here's how your "leader" does:

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http://www.dailyrecord.com/news/03/04/20/news3-laci.htm
Laci Peterson case tied to Roe debate

By Rob Jennings, Daily Record

The head of the National Organization for Women's Morris County chapter is opposing a double-murder charge in the Laci Peterson case, saying it could provide ammunition to the pro-life lobby.

"If this is murder, well, then any time a late-term fetus is aborted, they could call it murder," Morris County NOW President Mavra Stark said on Saturday.

Prosecutors in California announced Friday their intention to charge Scott Peterson, 30, of Modesto, both with killing his wife and their unborn son. Laci Peterson was eight months pregnant when she disappeared Dec. 24.

Both bodies were identified on Friday after washing up on the shore of San Francisco Bay.

More than two dozen states, including California, have adopted "fetal homicide" statutes, and prosecutors often will seek a double-murder charge when a pregnant woman is killed.

Marie Tasy, public and legislative affairs director for New Jersey Right To Life, countered that a double-murder charge against Scott Peterson is appropriate. She assailed pro-choice activists for opposing fetal homicide statutes.

"Obviously he was wanted by the mother," Tasy said.

"Clearly groups like NOW are doing a great injustice to women by opposing these laws. It just shows you how extreme, and to what lengths, these groups will go to protect the right to abortion."

Fetal homicide laws have been opposed by some pro-choice organizations that fear they will undermine a woman's right to choose an abortion, even though the statues exempt legal abortions.

After watching news reports of Peterson's arrest, Stark expressed concern with the tone of the coverage.

"There's something about this that bothers me a little bit," Stark said. "Was it born, or was it unborn? If it was unborn, then I can't see charging (Peterson) with a double-murder."

Some pro-lifers hope fetal homicide laws will establish a precedent that fetuses are human beings, thereby fueling efforts to reverse the U.S. Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that legalized abortion.

Laci Peterson's due date was Feb. 10, and she already had picked out a name -- Connor -- for her unborn son. Stark said that added to the tragedy of the case, but shouldn't result in an additional murder charge.

"He was wanted and expected, and (Laci Peterson) had a name for him, but if he wasn't born, he wasn't born. It sets a kind of precedent," Stark said, adding that the issue was "just something I've been ruminating on."

There is no fetal homicide statute in New Jersey, considered one of the nation's most pro-choice states. Under California law, murder charges can result if the fetus is older than seven weeks.

To convict Peterson of murdering his unborn son, prosecutors would have to prove either that he intended to kill the fetus or knew that it would die as a result of Laci Peterson's death.

"The argument that (fetal homicide statutes) would interfere with abortion rights is ridiculous," Tasy said. "These groups are so radical that they would deny recourse to a family for the loss of a wanted child."

The second murder charge against Peterson is crucial because he otherwise would not be eligible for the death penalty. The double-murder charge qualifies as a "special circumstance" for which capital punishment may be sought.

Prosecutors have not said whether they will seek the death penalty against Peterson, who will be arraigned on Monday. He is being held in the Stanislaus County Jail.

Stark said that despite her opposition to the double-murder charge, she is not sympathetic to Scott Peterson. "I'd like to see them string him up," Stark said, "any way they can."

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« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2003, 08:48:03 AM »
I believe in the eyes of CA law, if the fetus could have survived outside the womb at it's time of death, it is considered murder.

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« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2003, 09:10:41 AM »
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"If this is murder, well, then any time a late-term fetus is aborted, they could call it murder," Morris County NOW President Mavra Stark said on Saturday.



Yeah I already consider late term abortions Murder.

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« Reply #3 on: April 21, 2003, 09:59:05 AM »
I used to be "pro-choice" until my son was born. After being a father, I realized that there's no way anyone was going to convince me that my son was not my son, even when he was nothing but a few cells multiplying inside my wife.

I am now "pro-life", in that while I still support abortion in the cases of rape and when the mother's life is threatened, I consider a person to be a person from conception.

The people who really upset me are the people who use abortion as birth control. I guess the best label to slap on me is "pro-birth control".

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« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2003, 10:00:22 AM »
Why cant the ******* pro choicer step back from the politics and shut the F#$% up!?

How low class is that?

Why the hell do they keep referring to a dead BABY as IT???


Who would use this as ammo against abortion? Jeez.....


****ing sick ****....

I still think people should have the right to choose to a point but later term **** is just that.... ****..

Abortion is such a stupid issue! I can believe it is always one of the big ones everyone has to know where a politician stands on..


I see abortion as the right to be an irresponsible *******. But hey if you want to be one by all means go flush potential life... You may burn in hell for it later but it SHOULD be your right.....

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« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2003, 10:44:13 AM »
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there's no way anyone was going to convince me that my son was not my son,


That's the way I felt, until one grew up to look like the milk man and the other the mail man.

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« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2003, 10:51:47 AM »
looks like they will be lucky if they pin one murder on him.


and on the abortion thing how about pro stay the hell out of my buisness and my wifes womb and ill stay out of yours.

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2003, 10:56:09 AM »
Abortion is advocated only by persons who have themselves been born.

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« Reply #8 on: April 21, 2003, 11:22:09 AM »
Pro-choice here. The choice belongs to the mother, imho.

If anyone else makes this "choice" for her, it's fetal homicide and prosecution is warranted.

Groups like NOW and Pro-Lifers need to just back off and quit trying to torque every case to fit their particular agendas.
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2003, 11:29:12 AM »
I'll advocate pro-choice if they'll add ages 13-19 yrs as legally abortable. ;)
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« Reply #10 on: April 21, 2003, 11:31:01 AM »
Well, seeming this has now turned into a "choice" thread, i'll throw my 2 cents in. My wife is a carrier of duchenne MD. Only the male gets this form of MD, and there is a 95% chance if she conceives a boy it will have this disease. It is the worst form of MD. There now is a test for the disease just after the point of conception.

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« Reply #11 on: April 21, 2003, 11:32:01 AM »
I'm pro-choice, and last time I checked this idiot from NOW wasn't my leader.

Sandman summed it up nicely.  Also, had Laci wanted an abortion at that point, she couldn't have gotten one...and if her baby was born pre-maturely at that point, it would have had no problems surviving outside of her womb.


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« Reply #12 on: April 21, 2003, 11:33:13 AM »
I would put it under a double homicide, she was 8 months pregnant, the child could have survived outside the womb. nuff said.

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« Reply #13 on: April 21, 2003, 11:36:25 AM »
Crime rates have gone down since abortion was legalized in the U.S.  

Do you really think that a kid can grow up to live a happy life and be a fine upstanding citizen if his mother was a crack-potato and his father a John?

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« Reply #14 on: April 21, 2003, 11:38:34 AM »
I dunno...Gordo seems to be doing just fine.


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