Author Topic: Keep Meigs Open  (Read 1575 times)

Offline guttboy

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« Reply #30 on: April 23, 2003, 03:14:15 AM »
Hey .....
Im a dog lover, I have the honor to fly for the greatest air force in the world, fly as a civilian pilot, no I don't live in Chicago...BUT DAMMIT I have flown in there and it is a travesty that Meigs is getting rolled up and shut down.

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Is the petition late....perhaps yes but at least people do care about it.

I think 95% of us in this thread care about what is going on.  The other 5% are entitled to their opinions.

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« Reply #31 on: April 23, 2003, 09:03:05 AM »
Dingbat, I read the Chicago papers every day and it's already old news. There was about 2-3 days of coverage and now there's just the occasional small, article and a few letters to the editor. I just saw a few this week that were along the lines of: "a few rich pilots vs. a park for me...etc.

Personally, I'm very sad to see it go, especially since my parents have their boat in Burnham harbor, which is right behind the air field. I have spent many days, particularly around the Chicago Airshow, watching the planes take off and land. It's a shame, but unless there has been some major legal blunder I would think we have a better chance of seeing Saddam Hussein return to power than Meigs reopen. I hope I'm wrong.

Charon

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« Reply #32 on: April 23, 2003, 09:36:03 AM »
Hmm, an island build at the tax-payers expence for use as park and then leased to Department of Public Works for $1/year as an airport for government officials and private enthusiasts wealthy enough to afford the hobby.

 I would recommend selling the damn island to the highest bidder but while it's a public property, use as park does look like a better "common good" use to me.

 I imagine replacing Manhattan's Central Park or Brooklyn's Prospect Park with an airport would be very convenient for some private pilots and government officials but a terrible deal for families of limitad means using those parks.

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« Reply #33 on: April 23, 2003, 10:27:09 AM »
What about the people that have been put out of work?  Imagine you go to work and find the doors closed, windows boarded, and a note saying bye, Even when business was booming?

"I imagine replacing Manhattan's Central Park or Brooklyn's Prospect Park with an airport would be very convenient for some private pilots and government officials but a terrible deal for families of limitad means using those parks. "

Poor comparision because an airport doesn't exist there now and doesn't have an established customer base.

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« Reply #34 on: April 23, 2003, 10:58:15 AM »
"Hmm, an island build at the tax-payers expence for use as park and then leased to Department of Public Works for $1/year as an airport for government officials and private enthusiasts wealthy enough to afford the hobby. "

Hmmm, let me ask you a few questions.......

1) are you a pilot?
2) just how much to you think it costs to operate a private plane for an hour?

"I would recommend selling the damn island to the highest bidder but while it's a public property, use as park does look like a better "common good" use to me.

1)  where do you live?  I think we sell  your home or your parent's home or your favorite spot "FOR THE COMMON GOOD".

What you might consider the common good is not always the prevailing opinion.  How about we shut down Boston Logan airport...its technically an island....make it into luxury condos and a park...for the common good.

I imagine replacing Manhattan's Central Park or Brooklyn's Prospect Park with an airport would be very convenient for some private pilots and government officials but a terrible deal for families of limitad means using those parks. "

No one is saying destroy Central park or Brooklyn's Prospect park and make either an airport.


To answer the above questions....I know a lot of people that are learning to fly and on a limited budget.  Depending on where you rent or learn to fly an hour of flight time in a Cessna 172 can be as cheap as $29.00 depending on if you are in an aero club or prevailing rates.  Not that expensive considering you are using a computer ($$), you have internet ($$), you play Aces high I assume ($$).....some people would consider your hobby for the wealthy.

Meigs was there for a LONG time...it is a piece of history....and not all of us are wealthy individuals.  I know tons of people who make minimum wage and still find the time to enjoy private flying!!!!!  Why take that away from them????

My two cents no disrespect intended.....

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« Reply #35 on: April 23, 2003, 11:01:09 AM »
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Bravo!  

Oh and where can I get that 172 for 29$,  I thought I was doing good at 68$/wet down from 89 at another club

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« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2003, 11:31:10 AM »
Dingbat....At the Kirtland Aero Club here in Albuquerque....although I bought a block of hours to get that rate and I pay my 15$ a month dues.  

You can also get a free hour....just go to BE A PILOT dot com...you get the certificate...although not sure if they are still running the program.

Good to see we have GA guys out there.  I fly in the AF and have been for going on 17 years if you consider the AF Academy time in sailplanes as well.

Take care!!!

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« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2003, 11:33:08 AM »
OHHHH ALMOST FORGOT!!!!!!!!!!!

Try flying with  the CAP...civil air patrol....you can get rates even lower....I believe ours here is around 22 bucks per hour if flying under CAP time.....VERY worthwhile.....and a GREAT WAY to help the USA!!!

From SAR (Search and Rescue) to surveying things very rewarding!!!!!

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« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2003, 11:40:40 AM »
I'm actually looking at CAP, focusing on my PPC right now, solo'd last week at 22 hours.  Greased every landing, some of the best flying I've ever done.  I fly out of KNYG Turner Field at Quantico Marine Base.



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« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2003, 11:44:15 AM »
AWESOME!!!!!!!!

Keep it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Watch out for the spring crosswinds though...can be a squeak!...LOL

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« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2003, 12:08:32 PM »
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AWESOME!!!!!!!!

Keep it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Watch out for the spring crosswinds though...can be a squeak!...LOL


Don't have to tell me, I delayed my solo 2 times because of weather relating to X winds.  Tell me about CAP, are you a member?

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« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2003, 12:14:14 PM »
Not at this time....VERY BUSY...flyin in the good ol USAF....havent touched a 172 in about 4 months......ask away though....Ill be happy to let you in on stuff.....

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« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2003, 12:16:00 PM »
I read one requirement is to be single?
What are the physical Fitness requirements?
Basically what's the overall initiation phase like?

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« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2003, 12:22:10 PM »
guttboy: 1) are you a pilot?
2) just how much to you think it costs to operate a private plane for an hour?


 Probably more money and time than most families with children likely to be using parks would care to spend.

"I would recommend selling the damn island to the highest bidder but while it's a public property, use as park does look like a better "common good" use to me.
 I think we sell  your home or your parent's home or your favorite spot "FOR THE COMMON GOOD".


 Don't be obtuse. However much you and other marxists ;) prefer to have all property nationalised and used by elite, what I recommended is a perfectly legal and common in this country. Plenty of public property was privatised at one point or another and ended up serving public interests better then when it was mismanaged by politicians. Disneyland is a private company the last time I checked. The inhabitants of Ghicago have complete right to dispose of their communal property as they wish and sell it on my or anyone's advice. Unlike my house which is my private proplerty and cannot be legally sold by anyone but me in normal circumstances.
 If the citizens of NYC do decide they really need to build a highway, etc. where my house is standing, the city council can certainly vote eminent domain and make me give it up for an appropriate compensation.

What you might consider the common good is not always the prevailing opinion.  How about we shut down Boston Logan airport...its technically an island....make it into luxury condos and a park...for the common good.

 I have no opinion on the utility of BLA to the Chicago inhabitants. I make no blank statements that all public property should be privatised even in a libertarian state. Do not attribute ignorant or stupid ideas to me to make your arguments easier - I have plenty of my own, thank yo. :)

 What you apparently are not realising is that my "wild" plan of turning the island into park is actually what a duly-elected mayor of Chicago representing the will of majority of Chicago people is actually doing - after making his plans public for 8 years.
 He had to do it under cover of the night exactly becasue a democracy and law-disrespecting radical minority would have staged some action that would have delayed the works and caused extra expence.
 

No one is saying destroy Central park or Brooklyn's Prospect park and make either an airport.

 And it was probably a stupid idea to destroy the artificially created park island to build Meigs airport.

Depending on where you rent or learn to fly an hour of flight time in a Cessna 172 can be as cheap as $29.00 depending on if you are in an aero club or prevailing rates.  Not that expensive considering you are using a computer ($$), you have internet ($$), you play Aces high I assume ($$).....some people would consider your hobby for the wealthy.

 Have you tried raising children? What is the money equivalent of not having your children play on the grass for days or weeks because the nearest open space is far away and the closest park was diverted for luxury use by hobbyists?
 How much does the extra travel time cost? What is the money equivalent of the traffic accident risk trying to get out to a faraway park? How much would a life insirance increase (neccesarry thing if you have children) if you are an amateur pilot?


I know tons of people who make minimum wage and still find the time to enjoy private flying!!!!!  Why take that away from them????

 To bring more enjoyment to more people from the use of the park? There is no clear-cut decision here that would make one side or the other absolutely true or false.
 The disoposal of the private property in the free market is decided by the market prices and supply/demand.
 The public property is disposed off through elected officials making decisions on behalf of the electorate. In any case they would be unsatisfied people. C'est la vie!

 miko

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« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2003, 12:26:50 PM »
Miko,

You are entitled to your opinions as I am.

Personally if your kids enjoy flying perhaps you might want to take them to a General Aviation airport....OHH WAIT THERE ARE NONE......

Honestly I can see your point of view....can you see mine?  I do ask you this question though.....

What do you like to do as a hobby or a job?

Please answer me this honestly and truly...no slams from my end at all.....:)