Hope for France after all?

[Martlet]

seems like some have sense.

Merde in France

[Habu]

Man that site is great. There are so many great links and stories there. I read it for hours. Thanks for the links.

Perhaps Straffo would  like to read it and comment? Hmmm he seems noticibly silent these days. Perhaps he realized what a love muffin he has been?

[Martlet]

There's a bunch of them out there that I follow from other countries.  If you read enough of them, I think it's easier to get a feel for the news and sentiment in that country, since these folks actually live there.

If you like one's about France, here's another.

Pave France

I have a page with other countries weblogs written in english, if you want it.

[Spooky]

There are so many great links and stories there

yeah right, most of it is a load of crap, half truth and plain lies...

but don't worry  guys, business will resume as usual very soon...

MONEY TALKS, and bull**** walks...

Capitalism will prevail, national interests will converge inevitably...

we can discuss the pros and cons of our respective leaders, but ultimately they will agree on higher economic interest and stir up our patriotism when convenient (this is the current trend and everybody has jumped on the bandwagon and howls with the wolves), or make us all feel like a warm and fuzzy family if it's more profitable...

I hate to break it to you, but it's all about the economy

there are no morals whatsoever at that level...

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Spooky
There are so many great links and stories there

yeah right, most of it is a load of crap, half truth and plain lies...

but don't worry  guys, business will resume as usual very soon...

MONEY TALKS, and bull**** walks...

Capitalism will prevail, national interests will converge inevitably...

we can discuss the pros and cons of our respective leaders, but ultimately they will agree on higher economic interest and stir up our patriotism when convenient (this is the current trend and everybody has jumped on the bandwagon and howls with the wolves), or make us all feel like a warm and fuzzy family if it's more profitable...

I hate to break it to you, but it's all about the economy

there are no morals whatsoever at that level...

Ahh, so any link or story that doesn't agree with your opinion is crap.  I see.  Thankfully, there are those in France unlike you and Straffo.

[SLO]

Originally posted by Spooky
There are so many great links and stories there

yeah right, most of it is a load of crap, half truth and plain lies...

but don't worry  guys, business will resume as usual very soon...

MONEY TALKS, and bull**** walks...

Capitalism will prevail, national interests will converge inevitably...

we can discuss the pros and cons of our respective leaders, but ultimately they will agree on higher economic interest and stir up our patriotism when convenient (this is the current trend and everybody has jumped on the bandwagon and howls with the wolves), or make us all feel like a warm and fuzzy family if it's more profitable...

I hate to break it to you, but it's all about the economy

there are no morals whatsoever at that level...

well said spooky....

[Habu]

Originally posted by Spooky


yeah right, most of it is a load of crap, half truth and plain lies...

but don't worry  guys, business will resume as usual very soon...

MONEY TALKS, and bull**** walks...

Capitalism will prevail, national interests will converge inevitably...

we can discuss the pros and cons of our respective leaders, but ultimately they will agree on higher economic interest and stir up our patriotism when convenient (this is the current trend and everybody has jumped on the bandwagon and howls with the wolves), or make us all feel like a warm and fuzzy family if it's more profitable...

I

So this story is all crap?

From the Economist

THE headlines have been disquieting: “Washington intends to make France pay”; “Chirac, king of peace without a crown”. Indeed. Now that America has toppled Saddam Hussein, President Jacques Chirac's anti-war stand seems not just irrelevant but, increasingly, also damaging. After all, America's deputy defence secretary, Paul Wolfowitz, told American senators last week that France “is going to pay some consequences”—a threat, in the present economic gloom, that French business takes seriously.

So what is Mr Chirac to do? One answer is to repeat that the Franco-American disagreement has always been more about the means than the end. After Baghdad fell to America's troops, Mr Chirac issued a statement “rejoicing, as in all democracies, at the collapse of Saddam Hussein's dictatorship.”

Read more by clicking the link. Great perspective on the damage control starting to flow out of that big anus of a country called France.

[SLO]

still looking to bash france hey......


think I'm gonna start making you look like a fool.....

back in 5:rolleyes:

[Habu]

Originally posted by SLO
still looking to bash france hey......


think I'm gonna start making you look like a fool.....

back in 5:rolleyes:

I don't have to bash france. This guy beat me to it.

France is Almost Finished
By Guy Milliere
FrontPageMagazine.com | April 10, 2003


Little by little, the French government tries to change its behavior. The smell of Allied victory wafting out of Bhagdad maybe? You can expect Chirac and Villepin to say: we have always loved the United States.  We are your friends, no hard feelings...  I just hope nobody will believe it in the United States. If within a few days, Chirac and Villepin say this, think about it: it’s ALL about the money. They want to try to keep some of their Iraqi contracts intact. They want the United States to go back to the United Nations where they can again paralyze you with their vetoes and their
counter-proposals.

I'm sorry to say it, but nothing good for the U.S. can come from France now.

Some day in the future this may change, but the French will have to learn their lessons the hard  way.  They have to feel the pain, unlike the citizens of Poland.  The Polish see what they owe to the United States.  A little more than ten years ago, they were under the rule of a communist dictatorship and they remember it is thanks to the United States that they were freed from that nightmare.  The French people will have to see what a nightmare looks like before you can take their apologies seriously.

Be patient, the nightmare is almost upon us.

Economically speaking, France is decaying, full speed. Unemployment is officially around ten per cent. If you add the people who have never worked and so are not counted for the statistics, and also add the students who study nothing  useful, the right number would be way above fifteen per cent. Growth rate is now officially around one per cent, and it includes government activities: if the government component was not included, it would be easy to see that France is in depression.  Her population is growing old, and no money is available to take care of the large number of senior citizens in the years to come. The greater part of  young people are Muslim, not integrated with French society, and almost illiterate.

In fact, the only things that are growing in France right now are crime and Islamism. Some readers have been amazed by the fact that teenaged girls and young women in many city districts have to wear the Islamic veil if they do not want to be harassed, but it gets worse. A few weeks ago, a young Arab burnt a teenaged girl alive in the suburbs of Paris. He was convicted of murder, but he became a hero and an example for other young Arabs living in the same kind of areas.  Two month ago, ten Arab men who raped another teenaged girl in another district were convicted and condemned to spend five years in jail. Yes, just five years. Their families left the court of justice shouting to the journalists it was unfair and they would look out for revenge. Eight days later, the court was burnt down during the night. The teenaged girl and her family have had to leave Paris, and hide in another part of the country.

I have written columns in the French press concerning what’s happening.  The response has been death threats, with color pictures of slit throats, anti-Semitic insults. There were Muslims in France thirty years ago, but they were not like the Muslims of today.  They were moderate, they did not feel they could wield decisive political power in France, they did not think they were at war against western civilization.  Now it’s clear that they think they are at war.  Very few people are in jail  in France (France does not have enough jails), but more than sixty per cent of the convicts are Muslims, and Islamist imams visit them on a weekly basis. My wife was born in a Muslim family.  She’s not a Muslim anymore, and because she left Islam, she risks being killed if she says it  openly.  My wife’s mother is still Muslim, but she is a moderate, and she’s afraid to be considered  a traitor by the much more radical Muslims that are spreading throughout France.

Within twenty years, Muslims will be a majority in France.  And if nothing changes, they will be radical Muslims.

The French government takes care of the present: it knows it cannot take care of the future because there is no future. The French government acts like a traitor to its old allies for many reasons: because it has no principles, because it needs money, but especially because it is afraid of bloody riots.  France is not a sovereign nation anymore: it’s partly ruled by the mob, partly ruled from the outside by corrupting Muslim tyrants. But don’t worry, France also has no importance anymore: it can still bark, but it’s bite is more like a nip.

France is almost finished. The nightmare is almost here.  France has to know the horrors of the nightmare if you want her to have a chance to wake up.  Sure, you may find some exceptions to the rule.  France has some decent  intellectuals: but they have about the same access to the mainstream media that dissenters  had in the Soviet Union twenty years ago. France has bold politicians: one, maybe  two if I want to be extremely generous. France still has genuine journalists:  you could count them on the fingers of one hand.  For the next years, come to France if you want, visit old monuments, but do not expect to be understood or appreciated by the locals. Behave as you would in a third  world country; soon France will be a third world country. Perhaps it will wake up  with a start, but who knows?  Right now, if you read the polls, only 53% of the  French hope the U.S. army will defeat Saddam: the rest hope the United States will be defeated and Saddam will win...

Do you really want France to have a word to say in the re-building of Iraq after Saddam is defeated?

[Saurdaukar]

SLO - instead of conjuring up obscure links that spout Bush/Hitler grabage, perhaps you could just be kind enough to show us exactly where France is being bashed in this thread?

[Martlet]

Originally posted by SLO
still looking to bash france hey......


think I'm gonna start making you look like a fool.....

back in 5:rolleyes:

Who's bashing France?

I just posted a link to a few web pages written by French citizens because I find them interesting.  If you don't like them, squeak at them, not me.

[Spooky]

Originally posted by Martlet
Ahh, so any link or story that doesn't agree with your opinion is crap.  

Not at all, and I said "most of it"

my point was not to debate on one story or the other, but to point out that, when all is said and done, higher national  interests (read probably not mine nor yours) take precedence over pissing contests...

you'll see.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Spooky
Not at all, and I said "most of it"

my point was not to debate on one story or the other, but to point out that, when all is said and done, higher national  interests (read probably not mine nor yours) take precedence over pissing contests...

you'll see.

I don't disagree at all.  National interests usually do take precedence.  I just think the French over estimate our interest in their country.

[Spooky]

Originally posted by Habu
So this story is all crap?

[; “Chirac, king of peace without a crown  .snip .

you guys have just met Chirac...We are familiar with his stunts, he's been in politics for decades, he's just another cunning politician.


Some of you on this board have displayed the following attitude : "right or wrong, my country and my president"

I respect your patriotism but things are a liiiiitle more complicated than this black/white attitude.

Here's my own experience with chirac (for what it's worth)

1986 = Chirac is prime minister - France denies overflight to Operation El Dorado canyon -
I write a letter to my congressman stating "our country should be ashamed of this, the F111s should have bombed the Elysée palace instead, how can we side with that whackjob Quaddafi...Chirac can shove my vote ...yadda yadda)

2001 - Chirac runs for president - the alternative is much worse - he gets my vote - he's considered an bellybutton everywhere - I'm one ****ed puppy -

2003 - Chirac opposes the Us on Iraq - I finally agree with him, there must be another way to disarm Iraq , not a real threat as it was proven, then he starts with the unconditional veto thing, which takes me back to 1986 !

my point on my previous posts is that our beliefs take easely the colors of our interests....

[straffo]

Spooky ne distcute pas avec les cons ça les instruit.


Je trouve mon post lapidaire , simple et  efficace qu'en pense tu ?

Le plus rigolo est qu'ils ont une analyse plus fine que n'importe qui sur tout ce qui se passe dans notre pays ... et un savoir encyclopédique qui force mon respect.


PS : Si un des 2 gugusses pouvait m'aider a retrouver 57 milliard de $ ce serait très sympathique.


Le plus rigolo est que je suis sur que en écrivant leurs posts ils se sont fait tellement plaisir qu'un jet de sperme à du leur exploser les yeux ... a-ton avis ça peut passer pour un accident du travail ?