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« Reply #15 on: April 22, 2003, 10:47:01 AM »
AKIron: I'd like to hear from some of you Saddam supporters, er, anti-american, er, anti-war types again how America went about starving all those Iraqi children.

 Could you post a reference/quote of someone here accusing american government in starving iraqi children?

 Please do so here, otherwise I will accuse of lying - attributing nonsence to the opponents and then arguing against it as if it was something actually said to discredit them.

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« Reply #16 on: April 22, 2003, 10:53:40 AM »
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Uh?

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Don't worry about it Naso. Perhaps you were unaware of the claims by so many that the UN sanctions (many attribute to the US) were causing wide spread starvation and lack of medical treatment in Iraq. Or that the true cause for the starvation has now been revealed.

Or, perhaps you weren't one of those so eager to blame the US for all the world's ills that you jumped on this anti-america bandwagon.

Either way, I hope you can now see just how oppresive Saddams regime really was.
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« Reply #17 on: April 22, 2003, 10:54:35 AM »
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Originally posted by miko2d
AKIron: I'd like to hear from some of you Saddam supporters, er, anti-american, er, anti-war types again how America went about starving all those Iraqi children.

 Could you post a reference/quote of someone here accusing american government in starving iraqi children?

 Please do so here, otherwise I will accuse of lying - attributing nonsence to the opponents and then arguing against it as if it was something actually said to discredit them.

 miko


Go ahead Miko, I couldn't care less what you have to say anyhow.
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« Reply #18 on: April 22, 2003, 11:00:23 AM »
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It's okay Iron, and Rude.  You will most likely never get anything that remotely shows dowding has any sort of head on his shoulders.

Hey Dowding. It's sad., You, Blitz and all the other Anti-american/american gov/thumb twiddlers should buy an Island. Start your own little perfect world. One in which you all can live in your little eutopian (european) dreamland.

Its so funny how dowding could write:

 

This is hilarious.  Hey handsomehunk,..you just wrote enough to post a response, so why dont you just answer the question? I guess your "truths" don't hold water after all. lol


 

Why not?  would it take SooOOooOooo Much of your time? Or is the reason really more because, you did click it.. and have nothing to say. Your not a good liar. :rolleyes:

Keep those thumbs twiddelin.........  and let me know how your island is comming.
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 Dowding already lives on an island....not that I would expect you to realise that

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« Reply #19 on: April 22, 2003, 11:02:41 AM »
AKIron: Don't worry about it Naso. Perhaps you were unaware of the claims by so many that the UN sanctions (many attribute to the US) were causing wide spread starvation and lack of medical treatment in Iraq. Or that the true cause for the starvation has now been revealed.

 Omitting the tiny fact that there was no starvation in Iraq - and thus no blame to fall on either americans or iraqi miscreants, could you name or better yet, quote those scoundrels that tried to besmirch our country's reputation?

AKIron: Go ahead Miko, I couldn't care less what you have to say anyhow.

 Why don't you do it for Naso, then? You seem to be communicating with him.
 But of course you are just lying. Thought so.

 miko

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« Reply #20 on: April 22, 2003, 11:07:00 AM »
[edit:  Some people have very pointedly said that the alleged starving Iraqis and Iraqis without medical attention was the fault of UN sanction which have been mostly attributed to the US]

I think AK's point is that the U.N. sanctions were not the cause of starving Iraqis and Iraqis without medical attention since the millions of Iraqi dollars have been found hidden in banks and Baath party houses, etc.

It is simply the government had been apparently with-holding from it's people.
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« Reply #21 on: April 22, 2003, 11:09:19 AM »
Give it up Iron....it's not about what's right...it's about envy, jealousy and the inability to stand down the rhetoric and see the truth.

It doesn't matter when anyone of us admits to wrong doings of the past....doesn't matter that we accomplished our military objective without the foretold hundreds of thousands of innocent casualties that we would inflict.

It won't matter when we find WMD's or rebuild that nation....it won't matter when the Iraqi people are free to govern themselves or when we are out of Iraq.

What only matters is that we are the United States and the sole super power....that we are who we are and not who they think we should be.

To dance with these boys is one giant exercise in futility. It's best to just shoot em down in the MA:)

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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2003, 11:18:05 AM »
Naso: Uh? :confused:

 See, Naso - some people here and elsewhere stated that US damage and of subsequent embargo of equipment required to restore and run iraqi water-treatment and sewage-treatment facilities and materials required fror water treatment caused the death of about about 500,000 iraqis - mostly children - over 12 years from dhiarrea and water born deseases, despite ample iraqi funds in UN accounts and abcense of starvation.

 AKIron here is lyingly tries to pervert the accusations so they could seem to be refuted and invent starvation at the same time so that the deaths could be pinned on someone else.


Drunky: I think AK's point is that the U.N. sanctions were not the cause of starving Iraqis and Iraqis without medical attention since the millions of Iraqi dollars have been found hidden in banks and Baath party houses, etc.

 Which is a lie. Whatever money was misplaced by iraqi regime, there were about $20 billion unused in iraqi UN-controlled accounts.

 The electric generators for sewage treatment plants, chlorine for water treatment and some medical equipment and supplies were not available to iraq not for the lack of funds but because of  US embargo (actually UN embargo but with US vetoing particular requests for crucial stuff).

 The fact that there were money pocketed by scoundrels does not mean that there was lack of funds for essental supplies (and if it ever were, surely UN could have increased oil-for-food program to accomodate the need with the money directly credited into UN accounts not controlled by iraqi) or that there was starvation at all.

 We've seen plenty of footage from the iraqi streets over the last few months. Did any iraqi look malnourished to you? Complained of hunger? The only starving iraqi in existance on the face of the Earth appears to be AKIron.

 miko

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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2003, 11:21:21 AM »
AKIron, I guess the main problem in the discussions here in this board about the War has been the use of the words "pro-Saddam" or "US-haters" to label ANYONE that was not in line with the official "approved way of thinking" of your government.

This has been reductive for the discussions and for the open exchange of ideas that all of us cut have have. (lost my english here, i guess)

The article you posted is a prove that some SOB (probably Saddam himself) was amassing money and other goods for future "personal" use, as usual in a dictature (and not only).

Your presumption that the Anti-war crowd is just a bunch of Saddam-lovers is wrong, if not an intended try to troll.

Nobody here (afaik) have said that Saddam's regime was a good thing.

The majority of the anti-war crowd, HERE, can be included in the "cut have been made differently under the UN cover" position.

And then there are people (like me) that cannot buy the "we wanted Iraqis to be free".

But, pay attention here:

The US soldier, most of US "common man" truely believe that, I cannot believe that at high level, high up in the "decision sphere", there is this group of saints that want to save the world from evil.

If this is the case, what about all those little dictators that do the same all around?

what about all the wars now ongoing (Afrika)?

There are others interests behind all this.

Oil?

Power?

Need for new markets?

Who nows? Maybe all the above.

Before and during this war the reasons have shifted from Terrorism to WMD to "Free the Iraqis", and some very vocal members have respected fully this shifting of the propaganda machine.

Yes, propaganda machine.

All of us, I repeat, ALL OF US, including me then, are submerged in a propaganda machine, but, be carefull, it's not the type of propaganda we can see looking back to WW2 Germany, Italy, and USA, it's a machine that have improved, have changed, has adapted to the modern overflow of informations (and sometime use it, too), and is more dangerous than ever.

Just check how works the publicity, if you stop for a moment and consider the hidden levels of messages in a common spot, you can be scared.

Massification... it's a term that has been overused (overflow technique), and for lot of people have lost sence, but is the basis of the "standardized market", it's easier to sell a product worldwide if the customers are of a standard type without many cultural differences.

Incidentally, the social model used is the US one, the one in wich this standardization have worked better.

Paranoid?

Well.. maybe :)

I am not convinced there's a plan to do the above, it's just an effect of economic forces, and a natural consequence of an economic and social system, something like the "leviathan" (Hobbes?).

But this is more scaring, because there is not a target to point, a group that you can point to and say "They are to blame", it's an entire system, OUR entire system, and change a system it's something that need an amount of energy way over the energy to overthrow a group of Evil people.



Damn, I digressed too much...

where are my pills....

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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2003, 11:22:39 AM »
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But of course you are just lying. Thought so.

 miko


Just waiting for you to spout off without the facts, yet again.

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« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2003, 11:23:54 AM »
Hmm......I'll try AK,


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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2003, 11:24:38 AM »
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To dance with these boys is one giant exercise in futility. It's best to just shoot em down in the MA:)


Yeah, you're right Rude. I always was kinda hard headed, and bored. :D
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« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2003, 11:30:33 AM »
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Whatever money was MISPLACED by iraqi regime, there were about $20 billion unused in iraqi UN-controlled accounts.


LMAO.   You are left of center by about 90 degrees.  You are better than Bagdad Bob, aka Iraqi Minister of Misinformation.

Nice spin :p

So you are saying that since this money was "misplaced" by a selfish government that it's still the UN's fault.  A concientious government would have decided it could find some of that money, that it didn't need so many grand palaces, it didn't need gold plated plumbing, etc.

You are a bone head, a freaking tool, and now I understand why so many people do not like you.
« Last Edit: April 22, 2003, 11:33:48 AM by Drunky »
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« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2003, 11:33:40 AM »
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Yeah, you're right Rude. I always was kinda hard headed, and bored. :D



I thought that was a requirement for living in Allen  ;)

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« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2003, 11:35:03 AM »
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I thought that was a requirement for living in Allen  ;)


hehe, hey buddy, you're just next door. ;)
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