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Offline gatt

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« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2000, 05:00:00 PM »
Wells,
laugh if this can make you feel better. What I'm trying to say is that there something wrong in the way a/c loose E. And I dont like it. Hope next patches will fine tune this thing. We are 12 in our squadron and we almost all have the same opinion. Lets wait and see.

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« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2000, 05:09:00 PM »
The FM is different-no question- I made two 360 degree turns in a spit 5 with a 109 hanging on my tail.  I finally got behind him with the wide barrel roll/throttle cut thing but ended up stalling and he got away.
Doesn't seem quite right. It's more like the AC were tweaked closer together in performance.  In 1.03 I had turning battles with zeros and other spits but never a 109.
I was nearly caught from behind by a N1k2 when flying a Yak-both AC were level.  It also seemed easier to use high yoyo's and wide rolls to set up a shot in 1.03.

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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2000, 05:16:00 PM »
I tried the patch last night. First, I was pleased that now you can crab your way in for a landing, and you DO lose some airspeed by crossing up the ailerons and the rudder.

Then I went up to fight a bit, and it felt like this was a double-edged sword. The old logyness and lack of responsiveness was back. Banks *in the direction* of the torque got the stall horn blaring and that jostling started, just as bad as rolling away from the torque; just overall unpleasantless in mild flying. The first 1.04 seemed to ameliorate that somewhat.

And, even with the engine throttled all the way back, and starting with a slow to moderate speed (as in, just after a steady climb), I could not maintain a shallow dive onto a con (in a 109F or G). It was ready to lock up in compression in just a few seconds.

Further, despite all the deadband and dampener I've put in, I just couldn't get smooth level flight unless I engaged autolevel. Making passes at a buff, my nose was slewing and bucking all OVER the place (which combined with the jerky animation made quite an adventure of the eventual gunpass).

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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2000, 06:54:00 PM »
 Eyecandy is better then some wellknown boxed sims. I would guess the is no small feat for an online sim.

 Though, I would like them stronger(I am one of very few). The guns modeling is lightyears ahead of the other online sims right know.

 The level of competition felt higher(online) then other sims ive played.

 I will say im am painfully aware of being in the H2H arena. No matter how friendly I am. Somewhere around the time, kill no. 7 or 8 show,s up in the buffer. I find myself kicked out . I do run into some old hands from time to time though. I do expect my fortunes to change at some point. (they allways do) and I would like to pick up the game again.

 BTW the TE is a goof to play with also.

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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2000, 08:27:00 PM »
Wow!  See, now wasn't that Easy. mo.  
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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2000, 10:10:00 PM »
 
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 I will say im am painfully aware of being in the H2H arena. No matter how friendly I am. Somewhere around the time, kill no. 7 or 8 show,s up in the buffer. I find myself kicked out  

You are(as usual) welcome on my H2H host anytime, even if you kill ME 20 times.  
The only people I boot are the ones without manners and I see more of those all the time.

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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2000, 10:25:00 PM »
easymo,
I hope you come back when your situation warrants it too.  Until then, take care  

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« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2000, 10:41:00 PM »
 
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What I'm trying to say is that
                there something wrong in the way a/c loose E. And I dont like it. Hope
                next patches will fine tune this thing. We are 12 in our squadron and
                we almost all have the same opinion. Lets wait and see.

Gatt,

It's different, no doubt!  Change is good.  Perhaps alot of people aren't liking it because it is not what they are used to?  If Pyro had decided to fix the turn rates back in say...0.40, would there be as many people now, not liking it?  Or would there have been as many who didn't like it back then?  I guess we'll never know, but I would guess that it probably would have slipped by largely unnoticed back then...

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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2000, 10:53:00 PM »
 Thanks snoop. You 2 leonid

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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2000, 12:33:00 AM »
Stiggy sounds like major FR problems.

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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2000, 01:14:00 AM »
Heya Wells,
no problem with the turn rates. Probably now it is more realistic and close to documented performance. What I cant get used to is the E retention. I notice it when I cut off throttle and nose up, even when I'm already very slow: the kite doesnt want to slow down, no way. Turn performance and E retention go togheter, ok, but IMHO now it is a bit too much.

Sometimes is amazing. I've only 350 hours of real flight and flew only once in a P51 Mustang performing all aerobatic maneuvers ... well, I'm pretty sure that you dont have to do High Yo-Yo's and/or Barrel Rolls almost each time you have to slow down your kite.

Yesterday I did a flat 180deg turn with my 205 at 22K (about 3-4g). I started at 400mph and ended at about 360mph TAS: is it normal for a high-wing-load kite like the 205? Cant imagine what Spitfires can do now ... well, I dont want to imagine it  

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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2000, 04:35:00 AM »
Padlock, Combat trim & an more newbie friendly FM, all in one version and you guys still wonder why?



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« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2000, 05:46:00 AM »
Say it ain't so, HTC, please !

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« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2000, 05:58:00 AM »
Maniac -

Being a 'newbie' myself, the last thing I want to hear is that perhaps more 'seasoned' players like yourself are somewhat hostile or condescending to new players, and think they need to have their hands held in this sim. You don't have to use all of the options you listed (and I don't) , and I for one can't see how they make an amazing amount of difference anyway. Also, the new FM does seem to reflect RL aircraft data more - ok, there are still bugs, but IMHO previous incarnations of AH's FM were also a bit...strange.

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« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2000, 06:39:00 AM »
Its probably all a matter of perspective.

Guys that have been use to the 1.03 and prior FM, say that the new FM keeps E way too good and does things just not realistic.

People new to the sim, or from Warbirds (not comparing them to new pilots, just saying it has a different feel), say that the new FM still feels slow to respond and overly sensitive to E loss.

Both are probably right. Its just a matter of what you are use too.

So far, I personally like the new FM.

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