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Offline SLO

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« on: April 24, 2003, 12:27:38 PM »
now they say they do have em.....

http://www.msnbc.com/news/850567.asp
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Offline Syzygyone

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« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2003, 12:31:06 PM »
If they did and they do, then I think George Tenet ought to be outta here!  We can't be having no mo intel failures.
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Offline miko2d

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« Reply #2 on: April 24, 2003, 12:39:30 PM »
They want direct talks and formal recognition as a legitimate government - what a gall (or naivette - they think being a legal government instead of legal nobody in US gov't's eyes would make US president ask Congress to declare war on them before he bombs them).

 Surely the nuclear war is preferable to such intolerable demands.

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Offline SLO

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« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2003, 12:42:21 PM »
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 Surely the nuclear war is preferable to such intolerable denamds.

 miko



don't think Japan S.Korea or even China would agree too that....
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Offline AKIron

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« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2003, 12:47:31 PM »
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don't think Japan S.Korea or even China would agree too that....


There's a new trend, the US doesn't depend on anyone's permission for it's actions, get used to it. Yeehaw!
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« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2003, 01:18:10 PM »
I hate to say it but I think the first actual action might be an embago of the country. No actual action taken but an attempt to truly isolate tem from the rest of the world en\ven more than they are now.

I find it somewhat ironic that there is so little UN handwringing over this. Since the UN has done even little talking about, it the NK's have even less reason to cooperate with anyone.

Well UN, here's your chance to gain relevance instead of just bashing the US and Coalition members. What ya gona do? Ghostbusters are busy.........
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« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2003, 01:21:37 PM »
Relax, gents.

It's in the capable hands of the UN SC now. The French, Germans, Russians and Chinese should have this solved within "2 weeks".
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« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2003, 01:37:38 PM »
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There's a new trend, the US doesn't depend on anyone's permission for it's actions, get used to it. Yeehaw!


And Portland was such a nice city...
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Offline miko2d

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« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2003, 01:45:51 PM »
Maverick: I hate to say it but I think the first actual action might be an embago of the country.

 I sympatise with your reluctance to say it. They already declared that any such act would be treated as war and responded to by nuclear strike. You live in one of the West Coast metropolices or have relatives there?
 Still worth the cost, right? Not everyone would be willing to sacrifice as much as you do.

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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2003, 01:53:05 PM »
You really believe that bluff Miko?
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Offline Toad

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« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2003, 01:57:41 PM »
Well, if it's going to come to war, it's probably stupid of them to start it now when they don't really have a big arsenal or a good delivery system.

Everybody take a deep breath. And relax. Oh, and check Nostradamus. Maybe he says something about when the Kimchee will come down out of the north raining radioactive cabbage or something.
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« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2003, 02:35:26 PM »
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Everybody take a deep breath. And relax. Oh, and check Nostradamus. Maybe he says something about when the Kimchee will come down out of the north raining radioactive cabbage or something.


Wasn't he French though?
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« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2003, 02:46:05 PM »
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Maverick: I hate to say it but I think the first actual action might be an embago of the country.

 I sympatise with your reluctance to say it. They already declared that any such act would be treated as war and responded to by nuclear strike. You live in one of the West Coast metropolices or have relatives there?
 Still worth the cost, right? Not everyone would be willing to sacrifice as much as you do.

 miko


Miko,
Yes I have family on the west coast. That had nothing to do with my post. I simply stated what I think would be the most likely course taken be it by the US or the UN.

As to what I am willing to sacrifice. please do not attempt to speak for me anymore. You really don't have a clue about what I think and certainly not nearly enough of an idea to speak about it. You read into the post quite a bit that was not implied.
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« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2003, 02:48:08 PM »
funkedup: You really believe that bluff Miko?

 What have they got to lose? What's to stop him?

 Do you really believe that he will be as decent and considerate as Saddam Hussein as to refuse waisting his country and inflict unnecessary casualties on the world with WMDs even faced with certain death or worse, fall from power?
 Hussein must at least have passed psychologiocal eveluation before CIA chose him as Iraq's leader in 1960s. He worked for his achievements and must have been a patriot at least at some time in his life.

 The Kim Il Seng is a wild card - just imagine what conditions of total power  and godhood admiration he grew up with. He must be totally screwed up psychologically.

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« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2003, 02:49:25 PM »
if nuclear exchange will make the kimchee spicier, I don't really see the harm in it...  ;)

In all seriousness though...

Does anyone actually think threatening a nuclear attack by NK is going to have any bearing on US policy towards NK in a way that benefits NK?  

No, I didn't think so.

Concessions from the USA will not be given to NK under threat of any attack (conventional, chemical, nuclear, or even "we'll give the stuff to terrorists.")   That's plain and clear.

I have a bad feeling this is going to come down to the USA perceiving this to be sabre rattling and a bluff and call NK out on it (either literally, or figuratively by embargos, blockades, etc.)  Then we'll see if NK was just jerking our chain or if they really want Korean War II.  If they do, I wonder when the 250,000 Chinese regulars come streaming across the China-NK border if they'll be shooting at NK's army or ours.
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