Author Topic: Messerschmitt Me 410 (Read 2543 times)

Duedel · « **on:** April 25, 2003, 02:20:03 AM »

Does anyone have real live reports or articles about this beautifull plane in combat?

mipoikel · « **Reply #1 on:** April 25, 2003, 03:22:16 AM »

Messerschmitt Me 210/410 in Action (Aircraft, No 147)

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SELECTOR · « **Reply #2 on:** April 25, 2003, 08:06:46 AM »

yep i got some good stuff i will try and find for you...
what i do know is it was supposed to be a replacment for the 110 but it was just as impotent in its role.. in other words it stunk..

Furball · « **Reply #3 on:** April 25, 2003, 09:05:00 AM »

i thought the 210 stunk, but the 410 they solved the probs, and it was a good plane?

SELECTOR · « **Reply #4 on:** April 25, 2003, 12:01:59 PM »

Karnak · « **Reply #5 on:** April 25, 2003, 01:25:20 PM »

I have one accout somewhere about a Spitfire Mk IX vs. running Me410 fight over Italy.

Short version:

Two Spitfire Mk IXs happened upon a co-E Me410. The Me410 dove to the deck for speed and tried to run. One of the Spits gave up shortly, but the other persisted. Once the pursuing Spit came withing range the tailgunner on the Me410 attempted to shoot the Spitfire down, but was unable to score any hits on the non-manuevering Spitfire due to the ineffective tail gun aiming system. The Spitfire contiuned to slowly overtake the Me410 after the Me410's tail guns ran dry, pulling in to range (probably less than 300 yards). The Spitfire then proceded to blow the crap out of the Me410 with it's Hispano 20mm cannon.

Me410: 0
Spitfire: 1

F4UDOA · « **Reply #6 on:** April 25, 2003, 02:00:22 PM »

I would luv to see this bird in AH.

It's fast, well armed and would see more use than either version of the ME110.

Which probably means we will never see it.

Karnak · « **Reply #7 on:** April 25, 2003, 02:14:03 PM »

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Originally posted by F4UDOA
I would luv to see this bird in AH.

It's fast, well armed and would see more use than either version of the ME110.

Which probably means we will never see it.

Actually that is one of the points my story was meant to illustrate. It wasn't fast. It got run down in a long tail chase by a Spitfire Mk IX. That is something that a P-38L or Mosquito Mk VI would not have been.

I'd like to see the Me410 as well, but people greatly over estimate it I think.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #8 on:** April 25, 2003, 02:32:41 PM »

Well I should say it's fast at certain alts.

If I am not mistaken it was about a 390MPH bird at 20K?

Does anyone have charts on it?

Where have all the Luftweenies gone?

Karnak · « **Reply #9 on:** April 25, 2003, 02:35:54 PM »

390mph sounds about right for its top speed, but 390 isn't all that fast at 20,000ft, and speed at 20,000ft isn't all that useful for a aircraft that would see most of its use as a ground strike platform.

It would be a sitting duck, a neat sitting duck, but a sitting duck nonetheless.

Kweassa · « **Reply #10 on:** April 25, 2003, 04:06:22 PM »

A little bit of digression..

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I think, personally, no amount of 'fast and famous' jabo planes will ever be used over the P-38L, Typhoon, or P-51D and F4U-1D.

I mean hey, I thought I heard people saying 1000lbs loadouts were pretty rare in real life, and they were more like 'theoretical overloaded ordnance' or something. However, in AH, there can't possibly be any reason to take up a Mossie or a 110 rather than a P-38L, unless one is a dedicated RAF or LW fan.

The only way a historically famous jabo plane would ever be appreciated in the MA, is when the MA itself comes to resemble history, or rather, a certain aspect of history such as the limitations in time-line(something like a RPS).

However, without any usage of RPS, which many people hate, the only alternative to save some historically significant planes from being a 'sitting duck', is by making the MA itself a mid/late'43-ish arena, as suggested by me in this thread(16th and 25th post)

.....

now.. back to the topic..

Bullethead · « **Reply #11 on:** April 25, 2003, 06:29:57 PM »

Kweassa said:

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I think, personally, no amount of 'fast and famous' jabo planes will ever be used over the P-38L, Typhoon, or P-51D and F4U-1D. I mean hey, I thought I heard people saying 1000lbs loadouts were pretty rare in real life, and they were more like 'theoretical overloaded ordnance' or something. However, in AH, there can't possibly be any reason to take up a Mossie or a 110 rather than a P-38L, unless one is a dedicated RAF or LW fan.

For attacking an nme field, I'll take a 110G over a P38. P51, or Typhoon any day. You're talking Vulchasaurus germanicus

. It can carry more ordnance, has more firepower, can carry both much further, and fights very well on the deck if you don't get stupid with it.

The 110G can carry 2x500kg (aka 1100#) bombs, 2x20mm, 2x30mm, 4x50kg bombs, and 2 DTs all at the same time. The P38 can't even touch that. Hell, the 2x30mm alone can kill a VH with strafing. So you can kill the VH and any GVs that are already up no problem, then vulch to your evil heart's content. Or leave the big bombs at home and take 2 more 20mm instead. And you'll usually survive, unless you get stupid. I don't know why anybody flies anything else in the field attack mode.

Urchin · « **Reply #12 on:** April 25, 2003, 07:34:28 PM »

I'd probably take the P-38 over the 110. 2 1k's and 10 rockets are more useful than 2 1ks and 4 100 pounders. Ever tried strafing a Flakpansie with a 110? Around 1150 people have this month, they all died.

Bullethead · « **Reply #13 on:** April 25, 2003, 07:53:34 PM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
I'd probably take the P-38 over the 110. 2 1k's and 10 rockets are more useful than 2 1ks and 4 100 pounders. Ever tried strafing a Flakpansie with a 110? Around 1150 people have this month, they all died.

I usually don't have much problem with Ostis in the 110. Or any other plane. It's all in the timing and the careful use of anonymous friendly dweebs for bait while you blindside them

. FPs are only dangerous in 2 situations:

1. You come at them alone and without surprise.
2. You ignore the ones at the end of the runway while you try to vulch.

Sometimes an FP dweeb will get lucky and zingo you in other situations, but most couldn't hit the broadside of a barn if they were in it with the doors closed.

Batz · « **Reply #14 on:** April 25, 2003, 11:05:02 PM »

BH3841 has 2 kills and has been killed 2 times against the Ostwind.

BH3841 has 0 kills and has been killed 1 time against the Ostwind.

BH3841 has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times against the Ostwind.

BH3841 has 0 kills and has been killed 2 times against the Ostwind

BH3841 has 1 kill and has been killed 2 times against the Ostwind.

BH3841 has 1 kill and has been killed 3 times against the Ostwind.

thats back 6 tours

5 kills 10 Deaths

urchin has 23 kills and has been killed 6 times against the Ostwind.

urchin has 14 kills and has been killed 6 times against the Ostwind

urchin has 2 kills and has been killed 2 times against the Ostwind

urchin has 1 kill and has been killed 0 times against the Ostwind.

urchin has 21 kills and has been killed 9 times against the Ostwind.

urchin has 34 kills and has been killed 12 times against the Ostwind.

95 kills 35 deaths

110 vrs ost

BH3841 has 1 kill and has been killed 1 time in the Bf 110G-2 against the Ostwind.

BH3841 has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Bf 110G-2 against the Ostwind.

BH3841 has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Bf 110G-2 against the Ostwind.

BH3841 has 0 kills and has been killed 1 time in the Bf 110G-2 against the Ostwind.

BH3841 has 0 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Bf 110G-2 against the Ostwind.

BH3841 has 1 kill and has been killed 1 time in the Bf 110G-2 against the Ostwind.

2 kills 3 deaths

I dont feel like checking Urchins p38 and 110 vrs ostie scores but they are most likely a bit better then that.

The fact is any 50cal plane is a better attack aircraft then any other and like kweassa said unless something changes planes like the 190f8, il2, stuka will always be second rate attack aircraft in ah.

just fyi the 410 wasnt necessarily an attack aircraft and neither was the 110. Either 110 (g or c) can handle themselves in AH. In rl the 110 was deployed wrong in the BofB thus it had a poor reputation. As a twin eng hvy fighters B'n'Z'n it can hold it own.

In ah it catches fire easy and has a very weak tail it a decent bomber interceptor and can turn surprisingly well.

The 210 had problems with it tail and was fixed in the 410. In fact the 410 was real close to the original 210 but it rumored to have been designated "410" to escape the bad reputation of the 210.

Adding a 210/410 to ah would be wonderful but it would rarely be used and if anything its usage would just replace that of the 110.