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Offline MrLars

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« on: April 27, 2003, 02:27:24 PM »
Would public reaction have been the same if we had fought an enemy that was coordinated and capable?

Here's a bit of info why I started this thread....

I participate in a therapy group at a nearby VA hospital. The make-up is mostly Vietnam era vets with 2 Korean vets and two Gulf war vets.

The question came up when one related a field report from the recent hostilities where a seasoned soldier stated that if the ambush their convoy encountered was done by an enemy with the skills and tenacity of those encountered in Vietnam they would have been in serious trouble.

So the discussion, which took many different paths, finaly centered on "What would have happened if the Iraqi's had been an effective fighting force"?

The ones that said it would have made no difference in the outcome and public support were the two Gulf war vets. The others strongly dissagreed with them. The part that all were in agreement with was about the outcome, but public support was where they were in total disagreement.

I would like to get some peoples input into this for our next session.

One last thing, some of the guys felt that the reports of a 'stunning victory' should have been a given because of the uncohesive nature of the enemy, the fact that everyones patting themselves on the back totaly dismisses our troops great fortune that the enemy wasn't capable nor had the incentive to fight effectivly...after some discussion the general feeling, which seems to crop up at most of these sessions, was that, from the Viet era vets, of slight jealousy because of the technoligical edge and the vast support that todays US and British troops have.


Please don't let this become more than what it is, a request for some public input to help some Vets who are still adversly affected by their combat experience.

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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2003, 03:50:15 PM »
NO/YES?

The opinon would probebly been the same.

It all depends how long time it would have taken and how many US soldiers where killed.

We will never know, now will we?
« Last Edit: April 27, 2003, 04:00:15 PM by crabofix »

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2003, 03:53:20 PM »
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NO/YES?



wow, what fascinating reply.


How do I get one of those "on Probation" titles anyway?

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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2003, 03:54:53 PM »
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wow, what fascinating reply.


How do I get one of those "on Probation" titles anyway?



Just stick to the Ugly truth and you be given one to.

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2003, 03:58:02 PM »
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Just stick to the Ugly truth and you be given one to.


In other words, just become an bellybutton and wait till you need to be scolded for childish antics?

I hope the next step finds you gone , but that's just my personal opinion.

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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2003, 04:01:42 PM »
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In other words, just become an bellybutton and wait till you need to be scolded for childish antics?

I hope the next step finds you gone , but that's just my personal opinion.


Good opinon, NUKE, I dont like people that are telling fairytales either

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2003, 04:03:15 PM »
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Good opinon, NUKE, I dont like people that are telling fairytales either


It's obvious why guys like you and Blitz are on probation. I just can't wait till you are gone, but hey....that's "just paying customer" 'ol me.

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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2003, 04:06:46 PM »
Thought this post was about something totally diffrent

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2003, 04:07:59 PM »
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Thought this post was about something totally diffrent


oh, sorry...you thought the post was about fairy tales?

LOL

Get banned why don't you

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2003, 04:14:47 PM »
i saw the bit on air. they stupidly lost a main tank to a bridge and were traped. in a defensless position. no enemy one even attacked. in that particular incident they were right. they screwed up and would problably be gone if the enemy had their **** together. bet the officer responsible gets a promotion and a metal.


 the viet cong had years of struggle to prepare before americans were on the scene. and lots of hitech stuff was used to little or no useful effect. a smart motivated stone age warrior on a cup of rice  a day is more effective in the long run than over confident patriotic button pusher in the long run.


motivation and smarts always wins. tech is just a initial advantage. side with most resolve will win.

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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2003, 04:19:27 PM »
Shouldn't be too long before you get yours Nuke.;)

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2003, 04:20:13 PM »
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Shouldn't be too long before you get yours Nuke.;)


for what?

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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2003, 04:39:10 PM »
For trolling like a little girl.

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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2003, 04:40:05 PM »
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For trolling like a little girl.


I'm not trolling...just responding

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2003, 04:58:39 PM »
MrLars was requesting opinions to help his therapy group understand the varying opinions of the public on this subject. Once again it has turned into a pissing contest even with his legitimate request to keep it civil.

Come on guys! Have a heart...  Please?

MrLars,

I think if the Iraqi's were an effective fighting force, the public opinion WOULD have been different in some cases. There are those who after Vietnam would rather tuck tail and run than encounter something of that magnitude again. Even though this conflict related to Vietnam in no way with it's goals and objectives, there are still those who are haunted by the memories of what happened in Southeast Asia.

Personally, if the Iraqi's were an effective fighting force, it wouldn't have changed my mind that Saddam had to go one little bit. I would have supported our troops and our government the same way I do now. I would, however, have been even more saddened at the greater loss of American lives. I wouldn't like that part one little bit, but I would still vehemently support our troops.