Author Topic: US to Withdraw All Combat Units From Saudi Arabia (Read 1796 times)

Dowding · « **Reply #15 on:** April 30, 2003, 03:24:05 PM »

The hard part is the peace-keeping, make no mistake about that. It's easy to walk into a bar brawl fists-a-swinging, it's a lot harder to try and separate people who are bent on murdering each other without getting battered yourself or being seen as biased.

Also, so personal responsibility does not translate to national responsibility in these matters?

And we heard so much about 'cleaning up the mistakes of the past' when referring to the '80s support of Saddam. According to some on these boards, they'd like to go through the whole process again.

Toad · « **Reply #16 on:** April 30, 2003, 03:57:36 PM »

Hold your high horses, Dowding.

We're in Iraq until, as Rumsfeld just said publicly for all the world to hear:

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“THE COALITION has no intention of owning or running Iraq,” Rumsfeld emphasized in an addressed taped for Iraqi television and radio.

“Our goal is to restore stability and security so that you can form an interim government and eventually a free Iraqi government,” he said. “A government of your choosing, a government that is of Iraqi design and Iraqi choice.

“We will stay as long as necessary to help you do that, and not a day longer,” he said.

They've pretty much said exactly the same thing in/about Afghanistan.

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In a series of carefully choreographed steps following the swearing-in of a Palestinian leader acceptable to the United States and Israel, U.S. and U.N. officials presented a new Mideast peace plan to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and newly elected Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas on Wednesday.

So give this a chance and give it a rest, eh?

Bash us later, if we don't do what we say.

But give us just a tiny bit of credit and some time to do "the right thing", OK?

OIO · « **Reply #17 on:** April 30, 2003, 03:58:58 PM »

The Saudi Royal Family is in the same boat a certain Chinese princess was in in the 19th century.

They secretly supported forces *very* hostile to western powers with intel and weapons and one day those forces struck against westerners (in this case foreigners living in china), the west sent troops to protect their citizens (modern day equivalent: forces in iraq/afghanistan) with the public & open support of this chinese princess (modern version: saudi allowing allied forces to use nation as base).

Then, when the people of China grew restless about the princesses' open support of the "foreign invaders" , the princess was cought between her own people rising up against her, the forces that hated the west which she had secretely supported but publicly condemned getting pissy at her and finally the western armed forces (overpowering in military terms) literally being at her doorstep.

Thats where the Saudi Royal Family is at now. The chinese princess made the mistake of trying to stay in power by betraying the forces she had secretely supported to the western powers (literally handed them over); which in turn made her own people *really* pissed off and began to rebel and the western powers not being able to help her without causing a serious international issue (in those times they couldnt go into the capital of china shooting their way through the rebellious crowds). So the princess had to flee for her life. I dont remember if she made it out or not.

Dowding · « **Reply #18 on:** April 30, 2003, 04:06:16 PM »

Hold my high horses? I would do, but yours are freaking mine out.

I was referring to people on this board and not the US administration. A re-reading of my post would confirm that, I believe.

And who's bashing who? To use an argument used by yourself in another thread:

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I'm not bashing... I'm voicing my opinion... I haven't used foul language or anything like that.

Yes. I'd say that describes my post admirably.

Mini D · « **Reply #19 on:** April 30, 2003, 04:19:01 PM »

I'm a little confused by your post toad. It seems Dowding has been pretty consistant on his thoughts regarding the Coalition forces remaining after the war and restoring order. Maybe he's a little cloudy on duty, responsibility and obligation... but the gist of the message has been pretty consistant.

It was someone else that pointed out that we should just pull all of our troops back.

MiniD

Rude · « **Reply #20 on:** April 30, 2003, 04:39:28 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Wait a minute, where has all the fervour for 'kicking ass' gone all of a sudden?

Leave Iraq in chaos and expect the rest of the world to provide the peace-keepers. That doesn't sound particularly big or clever.

Another inept and ignorant remark

Dowding · « **Reply #21 on:** April 30, 2003, 04:43:51 PM »

Ignorant? How else can the following be interpretted?

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They go in, smash things up, pour water on things and leave a big mess. They leave the clean-up to the janitors...I'll leave you to guess who they are....and deservedly so.

I think I paraphrased it pretty well.

Rude · « **Reply #22 on:** April 30, 2003, 04:53:42 PM »

None of this tripe serves any decent purpose...the fact of the matter is that we have done what we have done....time will bear out the truth of all of these matters and any help we could have used has been clearly withheld by our so called allies(with few exceptions).

Europe survives only becuase they have the USA to hate...without us, you would all be at each others throats in a New York minute.

Curval · « **Reply #23 on:** April 30, 2003, 04:54:22 PM »

Nice one Dowding. That was like a double-jab combo...like in a bar fight. You were "hit" with your remarks being referred to as ignorant and responded with a left at me, with my quote, and then a right at Rude by being so clever.

This guy is a BBS bare-knuckle prize-fighter.

-ammo- · « **Reply #24 on:** April 30, 2003, 04:55:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Dnil
weeee no more crap deployments to al's garage.

Woohoo! i heard that!. If I never see that God foresaken land again, it will be too soon.

funkedup · « **Reply #25 on:** April 30, 2003, 04:57:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Wait a minute, where has all the fervour for 'kicking ass' gone all of a sudden?

Leave Iraq in chaos and expect the rest of the world to provide the peace-keepers. That doesn't sound particularly big or clever.

Don't put words in my mouth wise guy. Obviously we would not withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan until after some sort of order is established. As far as kicking ass, we should continue to kick the bellybutton of anybody who messes with us. Kicking bellybutton does not require the largest standing overseas garrison in military history.

Dowding · « **Reply #26 on:** April 30, 2003, 04:57:38 PM »

lol Curval

You know my bark is worse than my bite. I don't put any stay by any of this bollocks.

Dowding · « **Reply #27 on:** April 30, 2003, 05:05:48 PM »

Rude - you want to believe that everyone hates you. Desperately so. You want to believe that everyone is jealous of the you. Desperately so. Those are your hang-ups, but I simply don't see it.

I personally don't hate Americans - I think most of you are good, decent people. And I'm not jealous of Americans except for three things:

1) Your sunny weather

2) Your Cheap electronics

3) Your snowy weather

But hey, I'm British - the only good thing about our weather is that it is inconsistently grey.

Keep believing the barbarians are at the gates and one day it might turn out to be true.

Imp · « **Reply #28 on:** April 30, 2003, 05:09:32 PM »

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Originally posted by Arfann
The bad thing is Al Jareeda will proclaim that we have given in to Bin Laden's demands. We just might have to "accidentally" bomb their offices (again) to make a point.

I hopt you are all aware that that bombing was against the Geneva convention. Just like bombing the Serbian and Iraqi TV.

The Geneva convention does not allow the attack of media assets (wether for propaganda or not.)

How can you retain morale autorithy when you break some of the rules that allows you to send people in jail (war criminals?)

<--- Puts is asbestos suit on.

Toad · « **Reply #29 on:** April 30, 2003, 05:11:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
And who's bashing who?

Rereading? OK.. reread my post and see that "bash" is used in future tense.

I didn't take your post as a "bash". I just said, "look, we've said we're going to stick it out; give us a chance".

I'm not sure what would be confusing about that, Mini.

As for the actual thread.. the withdrawal from SA does not signal or imply in any way a backing away from our committments to Iraq and/or Afghanistan. We've said we'll stay the course. So let's let some time go by and see how we do. That's all I said.