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Offline kesolei

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« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2003, 02:37:00 PM »
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I was gonna shoot for high school.  I have never really heard what it is really like.  Guess I need to do some sub'n to get my feet wet.  

I am looking for something challenging.


Highschool would be a challenge. I've done a little bit of teaching there, mostly Freshman (and in an art room environment, rather than an academic class)- And it can be an extreme challenge at times. Depending on what kind of class you end up teaching, you can end up with an amazing group of kids who are there and want to learn- Or a group of kids who could care less.

If you're in it for the challenge and the love of teaching, it can get frustrating really fast if you end up with a bunch of kids who don't care. That's the gamble with high school kids, I think. They're getting to the point that they just don't want to be there anymore.

One way to counteract that though, is to just be a cool/good teacher. One of my favorite teachers from High School was great because he was almost like a friend- even though he was 18 years older. I hated school then, but I loved that class and had some of my best grades in it just because he was laid back and had a sense of humor.

Although, I suppose that's advice on what to do once your in- Not advice on how to get in. ;)

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« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2003, 03:08:10 PM »
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Is it rewarding?


Yes, it can be very rewarding. It is one profession where you know you're actually making a difference in someone's life. That, however, is the double-edged sword of teaching. What you say and do can either make or break a student's self esteem and sense of self-worth. This can lead to tremendous stress, as you are always trying to be a positive influence and "the perfect teacher" to your students. I have many good memories about some students who, for them, I seemed to be the only person they could count on for a smile, a kind word of encouragement or a simple "how's it going today"?  Teaching is definately a good profession for people who are looking to help other people, and for people who have a genuine concern for young people.

On the other hand,  teaching is not for the faint of heart or the thin-skinned.

As a teacher, anytime you make the mistake of wishing out loud for a decent salary, you will be immediately pounced upon by droves of people who will say "But you get three months off in the summer". Things may be different in other states, but in Minnesota, teachers typically get about 6-8 weeks of "vacation" in the summertime. I got even less than that because I was a band director, and I had a marching band program to keep going during the summer. I got about 4 weeks off in the summer. And nevermind that you typically worked a 12 hour day between time at school, time at extra-curricular school functions and time at home grading papers and planning for the next day, every day. People will come back and always use the "But you get three months off during the summer" on you. Nevermind that you'll be spending most of that time during the summer at college working toward fulfilling your post graduate credits you'll need to renew your license every five year. Minnesota requires that teachers continue to take classes and work toward a higher degree. Actually, I think that's a good thing. It's just doesn't jive with the picture everyone has of the teachers sitting out at the beach all summer sipping mint julips.

Then there's the astronomical pay. Back in 1990, right out of college, my first teaching contract was for $21,000. The previous year, as a college student, I made $23,000. So, my first experience as a new teacher was to take a pay cut. What a great morale booster that was!

My wife, who has a Master's Degree in education, and ten years teaching experience, makes less than $40,000.

Education is funded in great part by property tax. If you were to ask your average person if they think teachers deserve a raise, they would probably say "yeah, they sure do". Then when you remind them that to do this, their property tax will need to go up. The answer soon becomes "Hell no, they don't need a raise".

As a teacher, you are nothing more than an indentured servant to school administrators, parents and the school board.  You had better not make any enemies with any of these power groups or your job is as good as gone.  

Then there's the tenure issue. While tenure would seem to be a great thing for a teacher in that it provides you with some job security, it is another double-edged sword. It also protects the bad teachers in your school, the few bad teachers that everyone uses as an exmaple to make all teachers look like dolts.

It would be best for everyone if they just got rid of tenure. That would help eliminate the dead weight teachers who are burnt out and just waiting for retirement, and would help establish some credibility for the remaining good teachers.

And if you are a teacher that gets the ax due to budget cuts, then you have a narrow window of opportunity each year to find a job. If you don't land a job between June and September, you're pretty much SOL until the next June-Sept timeframe.

I haven't even mentioned the difficulties of trying to maintain discipline in the modern classroom, or of educating ever growing numbers of students in classrooms.

I could go on and on, but I'm already feeling a Vietnam-like flashback creeping up on me.  

Suffice it to say that teaching is not for everyone. I consider myself to be very tough-minded and self-confident. But within 5 years of teaching in the public schools, I had become disillusioned, depressed and nearly suicidal.  I bailed out and went into computer science, where I now have a fraction of the stress, just as much vacation time and twice the salary.

IMO nobody can truly know if they have what it takes to make it as a teacher until they try. But I do know that only 25% of all people who start out as teachers, retire as teachers. I got that statistic from the dept of public education last year.

That's really food for thought.

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« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2003, 03:20:47 PM »
Oh yes, did I forget to mention that as a teacher, all it takes is one student to walk into the principal's office and say "Mr. X touched my breasts", for your life and career as you now know it to be over, even if you are innocent.

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« Reply #18 on: May 08, 2003, 04:02:16 PM »
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I have some questions about becoming one.  I know the pay sucks but I am former enlisted so I am used to crap pay.

I left a great job that paid awesome to start over and really wanna do this but would like some pointers from ones doing it currently.


You'll need a Masters degree + teacher certification in most states these days, but I suggest looking elsewhere, because too many teachers are getting laid off, even ones with more than 6 years experience. There's no money anywherre left to afford them, and with no one wanting to pay higher taxes, the lay-offs are going to continue.

It's VERY rewarding, and if you are used to thankless jobs then you wont mind not being appreciated. it's a great experience, so good luck findimg something.

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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2003, 04:02:38 PM »
so low pay, long hours and dont piss off the boss?  Like every other job I have had :)

With that ringing endorsement wank, its now become a quest!

maybe you MN boys need to come down here, they are screaming for teachers.....or least the news is :)

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« Reply #20 on: May 08, 2003, 04:22:05 PM »
I'm not a teacher but my dad was, children with learning difficulties - you'd call it Special Ed except that they weren't slow, they were unruly. Bad parents, neighbourhood etc so they were expelled from several schools until they came to his. Violent types really, he taught woodwork so had to disarm chisel wielding young maniacs quite regularly.

He tended to bring his stress home with him, I'd advise you not to do the same ;)

Seriously.

One year when I was about 7 he told us we were going to get a new sister (there were already four kids) - we were going to adopt a 15 year old girl in the summer. She ran away before it happened.

I think though that he enjoyed his work, but probably enjoys his retirement more.

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« Reply #21 on: May 08, 2003, 05:52:44 PM »
banana touched my breast at the con.

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« Reply #22 on: May 08, 2003, 07:15:36 PM »
banana looked down my shirt at the con.  Sorry to hear you got it worse, Sunking.

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« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2003, 04:23:28 AM »
banana, you're in music education?

I've got my degree in music (college didn't offer education) and am currently subbing (and volunteering every day i'm not subbing) for a music teacher at an intermediate school in the DoDDs Europe school system while my husband is stationed here.  Working with the kids has been really rewarding, and at the beginning of the year I had contemplated getting my teaching certificate.  But, after listening to a year of teacher politics, student behavior issues and budget cuts (and this is a VERY well funded school system) I've decided against it.  Will probably get my masters in performance and teach privately.

How have you managed to not burn out?  I've noticed that happens a lot with music teachers (another reason against going into that field).  It seems to be pretty thankless at times.  Sure it can be rewarding too, but geesh... :)

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« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2003, 05:35:28 AM »
AKcurly has been teaching for some time UI believe. He is currently a math professor at a university
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« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2003, 07:01:00 AM »
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How have you managed to not burn out?


I didn't manage. I got burnt out within 5 years. I haven't taught since 1995. Now I just play my trumpet semi-professionally on the side. :)

Puke and Sunking are just jealous that I chose to sleep with Makarov9 instead of them at the con. Mak has better tits than either of them put together!

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« Reply #26 on: May 09, 2003, 07:47:21 AM »
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I didn't manage. I got burnt out within 5 years. I haven't taught since 1995.  


Wow, within 5 years?  Okay, that answered any lingering concerns I had.  I'll stick to performing and not teaching. ;)

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« Reply #27 on: May 09, 2003, 11:19:49 AM »
damn, what a jolly group of teachers.....makes ya wanna jump off a bridge.

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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2003, 10:52:35 PM »
Dnill,

The bridge comment was really uncalled for. The folks that posted experainces tried to answer your question with basic honesty. You really DO need to go see what it's like. It probably won't be pretty or rewarding, it will likely be educational however. Teaching today is not what it was 20 years ago. Until things get changed I wouldn't recomend it to anyone.
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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2003, 12:17:24 AM »
Dnil,
Teaching can have many rewards.  As others have expressed, there are alot of drawbacks too.  Only 50% of new teachers make it past 5 years, it's a lot harder and stressful than it may first appear.  

Try subbing.
Talk to teachers.
Take a good look at ALL that there is to the job.

eskimo