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Offline FlyingDuckSittingSwan

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« Reply #30 on: November 24, 2001, 05:44:00 AM »
LePaul, I don't think you read all the post. I think I made clear I'm not a noob at flight sims. Land?? Don't be ridiculous. Of course I could land even though it wasn't the perfect flight sim landing I like to perform with a little flare at the bottom, it was more like the arcady nose down landing, but I could still land. What's the point of the training area when I could do most basic things and in combat I beat a few of you "vets" anyway? There was no prob in a dogfight. Lag turn, lead turns, high or low yo-yo's. It was just certain quircks in the flight model I couldn't get used too.

Wotan...I wasn't saying "follow me" on the chat channel. There was a bunch of us "noobs" trying to form up and play as a team. Excuse my ignorance, but what's the team channel for if not for this? Is it to discuss Britney Spears latest song, maybe? If it is, I apologise for misusing the team channel.
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check out my stats as a noob...

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« Reply #31 on: November 24, 2001, 06:08:00 AM »
your 39 and 79? right on track for someone new to AH.

you have more ship gunner kills then any
other ....still on track for someone new.

The only thing that stands out is you not fly buffs like most new guys.

 
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No offense it mostly new guys that get on country channel and gripe about team work and they usaully go outa there way to tell you how "team work" should be done. "Follow me.........team?"

I never said you specifically did but those guys use the text buffer to say the same things you did in your post.

so no knights work together at all? which is bs i know i was a knight for 6 months or so.
In each "country" there are folks who werk together but theres no "national unity" its up to you to define the type of "team work" your capable of offering then go out and find folks who are similiar.

wwiiol is even more fragmented then AH.

As for your previous Flight games its irrelevant each one flies different and it takes a period of adjustment. Even with versions (1.04) we have seen the fm tweaked and have had to take time to adjust to it in this game.

I think jumping right into the main without any offline training is one of the hardest ways to adjust to AH in general. There are lotsa folks out there that can help you.

But even then it boils down to fun. if you aint havin fun then best to fade away quietly.

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its country channel btw not team talk or whatever

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« Reply #32 on: November 24, 2001, 06:23:00 AM »
FlyingDuckSittingSwan> I'm sure you'll be back, it's a shame that a few idiots may have soured things a little but from your post you seem to have enjoyed AH overall. Try WW2OL but I'm sure you'll be back for AH. Is there an online playable demo out now? If so get that and don't waste $40..even EB have refused to take the game back now. You mention planes here seem to loose to much E but I found WW2OL planes held way too much which resulted in planes flying in ever decreasing circles furball fashion.

You also mentioned ground support..well I don't want to rain on your parade but you'll find even less co-operation in WW2OL. The ground war guys never seemed to ask or offer any co-operation and other pilots generally furballed around the few airfields available. The whole onlinesim felt disjointed not only by the bugs still in the game but also by the lack of co-operation amongst the community. With the command structure in place it just felt like people would only play if they could have it all their own way to boost their own rank and be damned with you if it did'nt.

For me the only real contender for AH is WBIII. It's still in its infancy but worth a look none the less more so than WW2OL but I still think AH will end up with your subscription  ;)

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« Reply #33 on: November 24, 2001, 06:35:00 AM »
Here's my stats for my first "two weeks" tour 2 .][


 Kills of Fighters
 4
 0
 

 Kills of Bombers
 4
 0
 

 Fighter Assists
 0
 0
 

 Bomber Assists
 1
 0
 
 

 Sorties
 35
 0
 

 Landed
 6
 0
 

 Discos
 0
 0
 

 Bails
 3
 0
 

 Ditches
 7
 0
 

 Captures
 0
 0
 

 Deaths
 19
 0
 
 

 Object Damage
 80.1000
 0.0000
 

 Object Destroyed
 0.0000
 0.0000
 

 Plane Damage
 2672.4462
 0.0000
 

 Kill Score
 5.6875
 0.0000
 

 Total Sortie Time
 31130
 0
 
 

 Ordnance 0 Used
 7061
 0
 

 Ordnance 1 Used
 0
 0
 

 Ordnance 2 Used
 2
 0
 

 Ordnance 3 Used
 0
 0
 

 Ordnance 4 Used
 0
 0
 
 

 Ordnance 0 Hit
 454
 0
 

 Ordnance 1 Hit
 0
 0
 

 Ordnance 2 Hit
 0
 0
 

 Ordnance 3 Hit
 0
 0
 

 Ordnance 4 Hit
 0
 0
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 Rank Ratio
 Rank Ratio
 
 

 Kills Per Death
 682 0.3478
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 Kills Per Sortie
 728 0.2286
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 Kills Per Time
 922 0.0003
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 Damage Per Death
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 749 80.1000
 

 Damage Per Sortie
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 744 80.1000
 

 Field Captures
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 1450 0.0000
 

 Hit %
 246 0.0643
 1450 0.0000
 

 Points
 489 2678.1337
 805 80.1000
 
 

 
 
 
 
 
 

 Overall Rank
 707

I stayed  :) , with some "time outs"  changed my handle lots also , frustrating sometimes this game  :D  Hell I could hardly get the plane landed on the runway when I first started , hehe , and had be flying ( CFS1 one year ) ( FA 9 months ) ( EAW 2 months )

Remembe HBlair lol about me "trying" to land at A1 when it was at 10K . LMAO , little hard there spro ??? hehe , ya Heath it was a "squeak"  :)

The game does barrel rolls , I use it , also you can "flare" on landing . I do "three pointers" in a Mustang most of the time , hehe .

Yep this is most likly as the above say , a little differant than your used to . BUT you should have started before version 1.04   :eek:

Hey if you havn't bought WW2online "yet" I got one to sell , it's opened but the cd case is still in the wraper and the key is unused . I was a beta tester , 30 bucks I pay shipping .

take care
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« Reply #34 on: November 24, 2001, 06:50:00 AM »
Thanx Rev. Wotan: yeah but the 13 landings also tell you that I can land the damn thing on my own...or should do. Also remember that I was giving the game a good going over. Meaning I was suicidal/wreckless most of the time.   :D
And the me262 and arado kill isnt bad, is it?   :p Even though all flight sims have slight differences, once you can fly...you can fly. Landing is the same procedure in nearly all. I already know most speeds for lowering gear and flaps in WW2 fighters. For example, from the top of my head...a spit is: lower gear 160 mph and flaps 140 mph...Hurri is 110 for both flaps and gear..Take off is the same for all planes. I set the auto-takeoff off (because I like realism) this game like all others simulates torque effect from prop, so left rudder. blah blah blah. How many flight sims have you played?
Once you know how to ride a bike, you never forget. It's the FM that sometimes caught me out.

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« Reply #35 on: November 24, 2001, 06:52:00 AM »
I forgot...Airspro..will you ship to the UK for free?    :D    :D

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« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2001, 07:12:00 AM »
Last time I tried WW2OL 1.40 the H75 Hawk could loop FOREVER. While in the 109E you can turn with 90deg bank (full stick) FOREVER. Oh, I was forgetting, the Stuka can close dogfight and win against most of allied fighters. Great sim   :rolleyes:
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« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2001, 07:25:00 AM »
hey Gatt...why do you insist on flying those funny planes? I mean the 202 and 205.   :D Just wondering....  :D   :D   :D

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« Reply #38 on: November 24, 2001, 07:59:00 AM »
AS a recent griper, I can proudly announce, teamplay is alive and well on AH and with the knights. You jusy got to figre out who the leaders are, and follow them. Ripsnort is CONSTANTLY putting up missions, and there's massive teamwork to accomplish the goals his missionsput down. Other guys like BD5, Skurj, and my Squaddies are always looking for support. Just jump on the country channel, and ask what's needed. Check the Map room and look for missions.

There's plenty of teamwork to be found. You just need to look. I had the same gripe 2 weeks ago, and now I'm happy as a pig in...well....

Example. Little things like this. I was flying a b-26 escorting in a goon to A31 last night. We got jumped, but I did'nt see the 109. A hi cap fighter saw him, and called check 6 to me. I switched to tail gunner, and told the goon to get ahead of me. Bottom line, I splashed the bandit, and the goon driver was thrilled.  I was happy I did my job. That's teamwork. Want more? You need to get into a squad, or join missions.

As for landing, I've flown almost every sim every made since the Commodore 64's FSII.
I don't know about you hot stick fighter jocks, but with full flaps, I can flare a B-26 10 ft off the runway, land on my main gear, and airbrake the plane down the runway.

This game takes YEARS to master. Hell, I'm flying 6 months, and I've yet to kill ANYTHING with a fighter.

My advice to you, if you want it, is to hang in for a few months. When your on, look me up. I'll wing with you. Or check for Ripsnort's missions, or BD5's little jobs (that always seem to get me killed! <G> )
There's many others, but if you hang in, I promise you, you'll be hooked.

Good luck, and good hunting.

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« Reply #39 on: November 24, 2001, 08:53:00 AM »
Adding a bit of thought here...

First, since WWIIO isn't yet released in Europe it is going to cost you $70 (the widely circulated cost for Europeans to import a copy themselves) to try it. I'd advise you at least take airspro up on his offer. I already sent mine to someone else or else I would send it to you.

Second, WWIIO isn't all bad. The atmosphere is cool, the tanks are cool, heck, even flying around (when you have acceptable frame rates) is cool. What isn't cool is the lack of supply, the low numbers of infantry, capricious spawn limits that change frequently, flight model, CTD's, high system requirements, bizaare gameplay concessions, etc. Much of this is in every MMOG, and you'll have to judge for yourself whether this combination of ingredients is palatable for you. I suspect if our flight model quirks are making you look around you'll still be looking once you get done there.

Third, I am a pilot in sims, and that is all I want to be. I don't have a problem really with the way WB or AH, CFS2, RB2, FD, A-10 Cuba!, DoA, or AW did/do things WRT flight dynamics. Each sim has a definite feel, but you get used to it. What they all have in common is a clear delineation of flight models amongst the respective aircraft. Not so in WWIIO. Further, the glaring omission of parasitic drag and energy bleed with control deflection jar me out of any suspension of disbelief. I used to hang my Stuka on knife-edge in turns with Spits because I knew I had better lift that way (real, huh?) and even though the pilot could try to yo-yo or spiral climb he had to run or die. In all my time in the Stuka I was shot down one (1) time, shooting down probably 200 Allieds in the process. I even went looking for dogfights. While fun for a while, it isn't the ultra-realistic experience it was billed to be. I had plenty of people tell me this is historically accurate, yet I can't manage to find a book that can verify it. I also have people tell me I just ran into inept pilots. Nope, the stupid places I put myself should have killed me over and over and didn't.

Finally, as far as teamwork is concerned it is the same wherever you go. Some guys work together, some don't. As said already, find the leaders and follow. In WWIIO there are the people that will lead and are good at it, and there are people screaming on the country channel about how we are all "blowing it", just like here. You won't find any difference, for sure.

Still and all you should try it yourself if you can avoid paying a huge lump of money to do it. By no means should you do a major upgrade to your computer just to play that game, like many players have, only to find it still doesn't perform acceptably or that you CTD 4-5 times an hour. Do not be sucked into believing the next patch is "going to fix all the problems and put in supply", because they've been saying that since June. Do not believe there are not people there who won't exploit every game hole known to man, because just like here they will. In short, you ultimately have to be happy, but don't think you are escaping when you go there.   ;)

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« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2001, 09:07:00 AM »

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« Reply #41 on: November 24, 2001, 10:10:00 AM »
Kieran,

What I got from reading that thread is that with all the controversy over FM's over there, no one seems to have done any serious testing.  They are all just speculating about relative aircraft performance.  One guy claims the Hurri climbs at 6000 fpm, and no one steps forward to confirm or rebut it.  It tells me a lot about the people who play that game.

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« Reply #42 on: November 24, 2001, 10:15:00 AM »
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This game takes YEARS to master. Hell, I'm flying 6 months, and I've yet to kill ANYTHING with a fighter.

Dang, I feel better now.

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« Reply #43 on: November 24, 2001, 10:54:00 AM »
Ra-

True, dat. I stopped my testing at "Knife-edge from the deck to 20K in a Stuka". I didn't really need to do anything else. It's a little like "Shallow Hal" over there; if everyone is convinced they have the best in the biz, why should anyone ruin it for them?  ;)

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« Reply #44 on: November 24, 2001, 11:12:00 AM »
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I forgot...Airspro..will you ship to the UK for free?     :D     :D

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Yes , Duck I don't roadkill . I read in your profile that you were from UK . When the cashers check clears I will send it np . I send stuff to airsid ( he lives near London )all the time plus others , it really ain't that heavy .

Would break down the box and ship in a padded enevolpe , ground . About 3 weeks at the most I think . Sometimes they ship the small stuff air even when you pay for only ground , then just about a week .

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