Get rid of the retarded kill shooter

[Soviet]

I'm just about sick of it, twice this month i've had some idiot come screaming in in front of me just when i open fire he obiviously doesn't give a sh*t whether i get kill shooterd or not.  Talk about gamey

Today i was in a Fw-190A8 around midnight EST.  I'm cruising along happily after my two kills on P51s, when i spot an F6F we go for the HO but we both evade, he goes after someone in a P38 (gonna spare mentioning this guys name) and i come in to help him, i get saddled on his six and closed a little distance around 300 i begin to open horror and to my horror some IDIOT in a P38 comes screaming in taking my kill and giving the enemy a proxy kill so now i don't even get the landing bonus.  This is retarded IMO please get rid of killshooter i'm about sick of it after only 2 times.  And now i'm not a gangbanger so don't even try using that excuse.

[Busher]

Can't Soviet - it would get worse. Some guys want kills so badly that they would shoot through you (and maybe kill you) to get the guy that you were about to take out.

I die from it too - we all do - but the alternative is chaos  

<S>

[Dago]

Would you like him to come in behind you, shoot at the con in front of you, and also shoot you down while he was at it?

Like it or not, killshooter must always exist in some version.  Possibly it could be altered so as to just make sure any hits you score on a countryman would do no damage to anyone. This would eliminate the problem of having some dumb dweeb drop in between you and a con and you taking the damage from accidentally shooting him.  I think that would work, and I dont see any down side, but maybe some else can think of one.

Dago

[Voss]

If, you can figure out a way to make sure that everyone playing the game is intelligent, mature, toughtful, and civil, then and only then can you take away kill shooter.

In short: No way, dude!

[Soviet]

As I said Keep friendly fire OFF

Make it soo the bullets get stuck in your plane and don't continue through.

[Soviet]

Actually when i think about it that does make sense people would fire through each other to get the kill and that would be very gamey
~Soviet

[ 11-23-2001: Message edited by: Soviet ]

[Tac]

That soviet would cause people shooting from behind you, THROUGH you to steal your kill.

The % of people flying in front of you and killshooting you compared to the % of people that would shoot THROUGH you to steal your kill is very low.

Would be nice however, to put a "personal" space for the killshooter?

Say, if a green plane is d500 or less from a red plane, then killshooter will not kill him if he hits a friendly plane. If the plane is beyond d500 from the red plane and shoots a green plane that's inside the d500 "personal space" bubble, then killshooter damages the guy that fires outside the d500 bubble.

If you inside d500 and you cant shoot the guy down before someone else jumps in front of you (or shoots the con THROUGH you), then I'd say you had your fair chance.

[Raubvogel]

I've noticed alot more folks trying to fire thru me to steal kills and flying in my path of fire in the past couple of weeks than I can ever remember. Another annoying thing I've notice alot of lately are idiots chasing a 1-winged death-spiraling plane into the ground trying to get a few pings in to steal a kill. Evidently this kind of stuff was acceptable in AW. Watched in amazement today as I was d300 off of a 205 lining up a shot and noticed all these tracers screaming past me. Looked back in time to see 3 friendlies bite the dust from lighting me up.

[xHaMmeRx]

Originally posted by Raubvogel:
... Evidently this kind of stuff was acceptable in AW...

Actually, for those new from AW, it is probably lack of familiarity with the damage model. In AW, a plane flew at 100% until it exploded and disappeared. The engine would smoke, but it still flew at 100%. A plane spiralling away from a friendly was simply evading and was quite capable of re-joining the fight. It'll take a while to get used to for them. OTOH, I see a few AH "vets" (at least they claim to be) who seem to use this technique to get most of their kills. Not the majority by any means, but the few who do are very noticable. Guess what I'm saying is cut the AW guys some slack, explain how damage works in here, and the light will go on for most of them.

HaMmeR

[eskimo2]

I died to killshooter today.
Was straffing a ammo bunker at a high angle, friendly came in low under me at same target.
I died, so what?
My fault?
Probably.
Do I even care?
Not really.

I manage to have fun whether I screw up 10% or 90% of the time.

eskimo

[Flossy]

Originally posted by xHaMmeRx:
Actually, for those new from AW, it is probably lack of familiarity with the damage model. In AW, a plane flew at 100% until it exploded and disappeared.

That is very true - I have been here a bit longer than most of the latest influx, but must confess I tend to keep shooting until a plane hits the ground or the pilot deploys his/her chute... old habits die hard I guess.  (At least I don't shoot the chute here - I often did in AW <g> ).  I have been trying to hold back more recently if I can see that the enemy plane is definitely on the way down....  

I certainly don't do it "to steal the kill" - though it would be nice if the kill went to the person that did the most damage (as was the case in AW) rather than the one that finished it off... kill-stealing couldn't happen then...  

[moose]

I get frustrated at some of the kill stealing that happens.

I'll get that lucky snapshot and rip a wing off, and instead of following him I immediately look for the next bandit. The ded guy spirals down as my friends swoop in for the easy kill. Very aggrevating when you don't fly a plane that has the ammo to follow a kill to the ground.

Oh well, it's just a game. A kill is a kill.

[Bluedog]

The only time Ive ever had a problem with killshooter is when a friendly tracking the same con as you pulls UP from UNDERNEATH you, into your guns......and even that has happened all of twice in two years.
In pretty much every other case ( the friendly is somewhere other than almost directly under you ) you definately should know he's there, especially with the external sounds of 1.08.
Try turning the external sounds up, and everything else down a bit, then turn system volume up, any plane, be it friendly or not, that comes within the range of your guns, can be HEARD.
Only thing I can think of, is get closer before you fire, makes the space the killshooter abusing dweebs out to ruin your day have to get into to have any fun, that much smaller :-)
No-one has 'dibs' on any particular con, to the guy who's airframe your ammo strikes, killshootering you, you are just some dweeb that started spraying and praying from too far back.
Takes two to Tango, and two to do allmost everything in this game, toejam doesnt just happen, you either cause it,or let it, by doing nothing to prevent it.
Same with Head Ons, vultching/being vultched, being outmanouvered by a Spit/Yak/N1k/Hurri etc  

Just my 2c

<S> Blue

[K West]

The kill IS awarded to the one who did the most damage. Not the one who shot the bogy last. However quite often the last person to shoot the bogy can do so easily as the bogy is in no shape to evade the fire. And hence as the bogy was (usually already plumeeting to the ground) missing a wing or two if the last person to shoot him gets bullets on the pilot then it's a pilot kill which is more damaging than aircraft structural damage.
 
 Westy

[ 11-24-2001: Message edited by: O'Westy ]

[Toad]

Originally posted by Raubvogel:
...noticed all these tracers screaming past me. Looked back in time to see 3 friendlies bite the dust from lighting me up.

Had to be a satisfying moment, eh?