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Offline WineMan

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« on: May 14, 2003, 10:36:33 AM »
If you can't beat'em, run away!  A bunch of whiners in Texas' Congress decided to boycott the legislature by fleeing the state and denying a quorum.

Full story:   http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/politics/politics-politics-texas.html

or here:  http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20030513/ts_nm/politics_texas_dc_3

Now, I don't care what political party you are, this is the most chickens**t, child-like action by politicians I have seen yet!

Oh, we aren't going to win the votes so we just boycott the legislature....  I hope they lose their pay!

And if I were the majority party in the Texas, when we did get a quorum again, I'd vote to lower it so that the next time a "boycott" occurs, you could could still function and then just pass anything you want.
« Last Edit: May 14, 2003, 10:46:18 AM by WineMan »

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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2003, 10:46:52 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2003, 11:08:23 AM »
Clear out of feathers... Dowding took them all and wont tell us why.

What abotu Cherrios?

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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2003, 11:11:23 AM »
Oh man you just don't know what all they are messing up.  There was actually some important legislation that is dieing now because of this stunt.  At first I thought it was all about the redistricting, but the more I think about it and the more bills I hear that are dead now I think it was part of a bigger strategy to kill ALL the legislation they knew they would lose on.  ChickenSh*t to the extreme.  And not the first time they've pulled this stunt here in Tx.

 They arrested one of the scumbags yesterday and took her to the house.  I wish Ok would arrest the rest of the bastards and send them to the state line.


 [edit] I heard on the radio this morning that it's costing $36,000 a day for this stunt and that a special session could cost over a million dollars......

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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2003, 11:24:40 AM »
ohh yea shure and if the republcans dont get their way we will all go to jail. they are trying to stop blatant gerymandering that will be bad for texas but good for the republican party. im all for um.


p.s. our texas web poll at nbc in beaumont, tx  was 3700  for the act. to 400 against till somone bombed them with 4000 votes for ( from a very republican office) guess they dont understand cookies :)

so basicly the majority here want them to do it. and the republicans are showing themselves, bigtime.


"hail texas down with bush"

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2003, 11:30:39 AM »
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I heard on the radio this morning that it's costing $36,000 a day for this stunt and that a special session could cost over a million dollars......


Seeing how concerned Udie is about wasteful spending, I'm sure he feels the same way about the 1 million dollar campaign ad stunt that Bush pulled doing a tailhook landing on the TR the other day....right Udie?

Udie? :D

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2003, 11:32:39 AM »
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
ohh yea shure and if the republcans dont get their way we will all go to jail. they are trying to stop blatant gerymandering that will be bad for texas but good for the republican party. im all for um.


p.s. our texas web poll at nbc in beaumont, tx  was 3700  for the act. to 400 against till somone bombed them with 4000 votes for ( from a very republican office) guess they dont understand cookies :)

so basicly the majority here want them to do it. and the republicans are showing themselves, bigtime.


"hail texas down with bush"





 Oh man you got it wrong, it's more like trying to correct 130+ years of blatant gerymandering.  Oh and doing it in a constitutional way.  The dems?  Once again the constitution is a barrier to what they want.  They sure would have a much easier time of it if they could just get rid of that stupid constitution huh?


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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2003, 11:44:27 AM »
So, is it really illegal what they are doing, or just annoying?

Granted, it is not very sporting.

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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2003, 11:49:49 AM »
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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
ohh yea shure and if the republcans dont get their way we will all go to jail. they are trying to stop blatant gerymandering that will be bad for texas but good for the republican party. im all for um.


p.s. our texas web poll at nbc in beaumont, tx  was 3700  for the act. to 400 against till somone bombed them with 4000 votes for ( from a very republican office) guess they dont understand cookies :)

so basicly the majority here want them to do it. and the republicans are showing themselves, bigtime.


"hail texas down with bush"


I would be just as angry if Republicans did the same thing - it's not the way the legislature is supposed to work.  You go in, you vote.  You don't leave your job (which is what they are doing) because you can't get your way (anyone else does this and they get fired).  And if the majority of people support them according to the polls, why don't they elect more democrats?  Besides, I don't lend much credence to polls like this anyway - those who are the most upset or political will vote, it doesn't sound (according to your post) like it was a poll but rather a website-log-in-and-vote.  Many people who may have different opinions don't necesarily log in and vote.

They should work within the established rules of the congress.  And if they don't like it, the voters need to elect people that share their opinions and then they can change the rules....

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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2003, 11:54:29 AM »
well from what I've learned from local talk radio it's illegal but there is no punishment, other than having the DPS or Texas Rangers hunt them down and arrest them to bring them to the House. (which is why they left the state)  Meanwhile a bill that would ballance the state budget without raising taxes withers on the vine while they cost the state $36,000 a day PLUS the salaries of all the cops looking for them,  PLUS the extra million or so that will be needed for the special session to pass the shreck'n budget.

 Sad part is that people actually back them on this.  A local radio station had a reporter at the hotel they are staying at in Ok. He said it was a party up there.  Water volleyball all day, clubs at night.   I can only hope that one or more of them was stupid enough to use state money for this.  Then we'd have something to nail them with that would hopefully put them in jail.


 BTW, the dems had control of the congress here in 2001 when the redistricting was supposed to be done.  They didn't even bring it up for a vote then and a 3 judge panel had to do it.  THAT"S why it's up for a vote now.  The Republicans are fufilling their constitutional duties unlike the otherside. Even when it passes it still has to be aproved by the courts here too.

 If I get time I'll try and find the current district maps. They are funny.  Shiela Jackson Lee's (d-houston)  district meanders all over town only as wide as a street in some places.  And THEY talk about gerrymandering,  LOL...

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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2003, 03:00:26 PM »
So why is redistricting being shoved down the throats of the Dems when the State budget is in turmoil? Maybe the Republiclowns need to get their priorities straight!

Killer Bees... part II

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« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2003, 03:06:01 PM »
I figured I'd better paste the story before Yahoo updates its pages.  My comments are in italics; bold added for emphasis.

=====From Yahoo News=====
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Texas Democrats Flee State, Paralyze Legislature
Tue May 13, 6:07 PM ET  Add Top Stories - Reuters to My Yahoo!
 

By Jim Forsyth

AUSTIN, Texas (Reuters) - Renegade Democratic Texas legislators hunted by state police made their stand against a Republican congressional redistricting plan and holed up in a hotel across the border in Oklahoma on Tuesday.

The Democrats claim the redistricting plan would unfairly favor Republicans in U.S. congressional elections.


The walkout by more than 50 Texas House Democrats effectively shut down the Legislature on Monday by denying Republicans a quorum of 100 -- enough legislators present to conduct business in the 150-member chamber.


"This is the last weapon available to us. It is used once in a generation. This is our Alamo stand," fugitive Democratic Rep. Ruth Jones McClendon said from Ardmore, Oklahoma.


Fifty-one Democrats set up shop in the Holiday Inn in Ardmore, just a few miles km over the state line, to protest a redistricting plan engineered by Texas Republican Tom DeLay, the majority leader of the U.S. House of Representatives.


"We have a message for Tom De Lay: Don't mess with Texas," Rep. Jim Dunnam, one of the walkout's leaders, told reporters gathered outside the Democrats' refuge. That same quote was used by Will Ferrell on Saturday Night Live when he impersonated the President!


Texas police, including the famed Texas Rangers, were powerless to do anything other than offer to escort the legislators back to Austin. The Democrats rejected that idea.


House Speaker Tom Craddick ordered police on Monday to track down the runaway legislators and return them to the House floor, forcibly if needed. But Craddick's order holds no legal force outside of Texas, since the legislators are not technically accused of a crime.  What about abandonment of their constituents?  If I was a citizen of Texas, I'd be itching for the next election to come around.


A spokesman for Oklahoma Gov. Brad Henry, a Democrat, said police in that state would not remove the legislators without an Oklahoma court order. None was forthcoming.


HOLDING OUT


The Democrats plan to stay in Oklahoma until a key voting deadline passes on Friday or until Republicans take the redistricting plan off the table, which Craddick has refused to do.  In a way, I'm kind of glad to see them refuse to accept the yoke of a dominant party, but at the same time I can't help but wonder why the Republicans are so adamant about the redistricting plan.  Something doesn't seem right there.


Dunnam said the DeLay plan, which would change a U.S. Supreme Court-approved redistricting plan, had derailed discussion on more important issues -- a nearly $10 billion budget deficit, school funding and health care problems. Wait a minute, so the Republican leader is defying a Supreme Court decision?  Now I'm really suspicious of the Republican motives.


DeLay criticized the fugitive Democrats and said he hoped federal agents could be called in to bring them back.


"You ought to stand and fight for what you believe in and not turn and run," DeLay told reporters at his weekly briefing in Washington. "It's just so contrary to what Texas is all about, to turn tail and run."


On Tuesday, plainclothes state police investigators nabbed Rep. Helen Giddings as she got into her car in Austin.


"We picked her up outside of her apartment and we escorted her to the House chambers to the sergeant-at-arms," Texas Department of Public Safety spokesman Tom Vinger said.


Three other missing Democrats, not part of the walkout, returned to the Capitol on Tuesday. Democrats hold 62 seats in the legislature and the Republicans 88.

   
This is the third time Texas legislators have resorted to denying quorum to defeat legislation. The last time was in 1979. (Additional reporting by Susan Cornwell in Washington and Jon Herskovitz in Dallas)  Anyone know what the issue was back then?

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« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2003, 04:16:59 PM »
I've got mixed emotions about this.  While I don't like their methods, I think the dems do have a point regarding redistricting.

The law states that redistricting should happen after every census.  This has already occured in Texas after the 2000 census.  The courts (not a gerrymandering democratic party) did it after the legislature was unable to pass a redistricting plan.  This was all before the Republicans gained control of the legislature in 2001.  Since then, the Republicans have pushed for re-redistricting without any precedent for changing an already-adopted redistricting for a census cycle.  That is why this will go to the courts if it passes.

I think the dems should have just let this pass, though, and taken the fight to the courts.  This may stop redistricting, but I think they will turn a lot of centrist voters against them.

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« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2003, 04:38:19 PM »
GoFaster, here is an article about the 1979 episode.

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« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2003, 09:15:59 PM »
Funny thing is, they're stayin in MY town. (Ardmore)



Why couldn't they at least be Republicans so I could make fun of em..