Author Topic: p38 (Read 3319 times)

OIO · « **Reply #30 on:** May 16, 2003, 07:48:01 PM »

akak your profile says you do not want to be sent e-mails, no way to send it to you.

edit: *sigh* i hate hotmail, file size too large.

ill put it up on my geocities server and post a link. hopefully an .ahf file can be copy/pasted into the address bar and be downloaded.

edit2: NM, geocities is dead. Sent the emails using my private e-mail... except for akak, dont have his email. If I get junk from you, you weeeel dieeeee! =P

bluesy · « **Reply #31 on:** May 17, 2003, 01:07:24 PM »

I'll take it too OIO.

Here's my email.

richard.gauthier@cablevision.qc.ca

thanks in advance.

F4i · « **Reply #32 on:** May 17, 2003, 03:13:03 PM »

OIO,
I sent you an email through the link in your profile. But, just in case you don't get the message, I would appreciate it if you would send me the 38 films as well.

Thank you,

F4i
butcherbird@adelphia.net

OIO · « **Reply #33 on:** May 17, 2003, 04:12:41 PM »

sent. 2 meg file.

Captain Virgil Hilts · « **Reply #34 on:** May 17, 2003, 09:53:16 PM »

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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
His engine managment seemed not to be that natural.

poor guy

I have heard from a very reliable source close to Ethell and the guy who rebuilt the plane that it had nothing to do with engine management.

For some reason, the canopy was off, Jeff was out of his harness, and the fuel switches were in the wrong position. There was a fire in the center nacelle, where there should have been no fire. Evidence points to a fuel leak in the very modified fuel system (all the tanks had either been removed or replaced with plain aluminum tanks that were not P-38 type tanks) that starved the engine and also caused a fire. The ONLY reason to have the canopy off and be out of your harness is an attempt to bail. Jeff was at less than 1000 feet when he went into the flat spin. People who would know say Jeff was trying to get away from a fire.

Word has it that Bruce Pruett, owner of the plane Ethell was killed in, is suing Jack Erickson, the guy that rebuilt both Pruett's plane (it was natural aluminum finish) and the plane Ethell flew in the videos (an olive drab plane owned by Erickson). The deal was that Pruett bought one of the planes, then bought the other to use to learn to tear them down, intending to scrap the second plane. Fast forward 20 years, and Erickson sees both planes. Erickson makes a deal with Pruett to restore one plane in exchange for the other. Ethell learned to fly P-38s in Erickson's plane which was actually finished first, and rebuilt to original specs. A couple weeks or so later, Ethell came back to fly Pruett's plane, it was to be flown to the P-38 Assn Reunion, and then to the Smithsonian. Ethell was to be the pilot for both flights. There is evidently a dispute between Pruett and Erickson over the fuel system. Pruett specified that the fuel system be modified in the manner described, I understand the dispute MAY be over how well it was done. And the fact that Ethell was flying the plane and evidently unfamiliar with the modifications. A search of the FAA site will get you the crash report.

It is very ironic that if you read that article, you'll see where Ethell commented on the very mistake that killed him. It must be said, to be fair to Ethell, that he was familiar with the fuel system of the P-38, but not THAT P-38.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #35 on:** May 18, 2003, 03:23:20 AM »

Here's my email then if you can't get it from my profile.

josio1@cox.net

ack-ack

GScholz · « **Reply #36 on:** May 18, 2003, 11:01:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
There was a fire in the center nacelle, where there should have been no fire. Evidence points to a fuel leak in the very modified fuel system (all the tanks had either been removed or replaced with plain aluminum tanks that were not P-38 type tanks) that starved the engine and also caused a fire. The ONLY reason to have the canopy off and be out of your harness is an attempt to bail. Jeff was at less than 1000 feet when he went into the flat spin. People who would know say Jeff was trying to get away from a fire.

I have a love/hate relationship with stories like this. Like in the FB thread with the story of the guy trapped by fire in the B-24 nose turret that kept on firing while his buddies bailed. Gives me goosebumps and I get a knot in my throat.

Deviant · « **Reply #37 on:** May 19, 2003, 09:37:05 AM »

Hi all,

Re: The use of differential power to turn a P38.

I know an old fella that is a P38 Ace.

I have asked him about this subject in the past.

He stated that they did in fact experiment with

the right combination of attitude ,airspeed and control inputs

to effect the "flip turn" of the P38.

He stated that they didnt actually use it very often.

BUT, when you got all the moves down right,

the 38 would go from a nose up climb for a rope a dope

and reverse direction so fast that it was usually a BIG surprise

for the guy on the bottom.

IF I remember correct he said they preferred to reduce power on

the left engine and mash left rudder to get the reversal started.

>S< Deviant

OIO · « **Reply #38 on:** May 19, 2003, 12:52:36 PM »

see my film deviant.

its that move im sure

Deviant · « **Reply #39 on:** May 19, 2003, 02:00:38 PM »

Im guessing the film is available by email only.

Send to flynvrtd@volcano.net

DV

OIO · « **Reply #40 on:** May 19, 2003, 02:49:58 PM »

will send it when i get home.

BTW, those that received the film... feedback?

mia389 · « **Reply #41 on:** May 20, 2003, 10:11:12 PM »

feed back, cool film, I thought that u meant was an actual training film though. Like a black and white one.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #42 on:** May 21, 2003, 12:15:17 AM »

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Originally posted by OIO
will send it when i get home.

BTW, those that received the film... feedback?

I never knew that a ewe could contort its body in so many ways.

Good film too. I wonder if Lowell did the same thing when he performed the cloverleaf maneuver to get inside that Spitfire Mk XI he had a mock dogfight with.

Ack-Ack

F4i · « **Reply #43 on:** May 21, 2003, 09:38:59 AM »

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Originally posted by OIO

BTW, those that received the film... feedback?

The file is in my email, but I haven't had a chance to look at it, yet. I'm looking forward to seeing it in the next few days.

F4i

Dago · « **Reply #44 on:** May 21, 2003, 10:36:18 AM »

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Tragic that Jeffrey Ethell was killed in a Lightning. But I suppose given the choice it's the only way to go.

It would have been preferrable if Ethell had not destroyed an aircraft that he was not legal to fly, and one he had not bothered to learn the systems operations on. Fuel management means learning how an aircrafts specific fuel system works, and then making damn sure you keep the engines running by not running a tank dry when flying low and slow.

dago