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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2003, 11:55:31 AM »
Just doing my part to enlighten the masses :D


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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2003, 12:44:18 PM »
'fowler flaps could be used out to 250mph'

baaaa HTC! :D

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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2003, 12:58:29 PM »
I found the part about turning with 1 engine interesting!

Swapping ends?!?  Turn on a dime?!?

Haven't tried a 1 engine turn in AH yet but hmmmmm...

Heard it made little difference!?!

Has HighTech seen this?  An actual pilot evaluation done recently?
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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2003, 02:22:13 PM »
quote: "Making tight turns and loops was so easy that I grinned involuntarily."" BY THE LATE JEFF ETHELL"

I grinned involuntarily whole time I was reading that artical. That would be a dream come true to fly one of them badboys.

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2003, 02:23:21 PM »
lol that was the name of the artical I didnt even see that A dream come true

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2003, 02:49:08 PM »
I never fly P38s, but I fight them.  Some experiences from a Luftwobble:

- P38 outturns all 109s after the F. It outturns all 190s. You can hang in a turn in the 110.

- She outaccellerates the LW planes at low speed generally.

- She`s too slow for the 109G10 and all 190s.

This makes it a nasty experience to get caught by a higher 38. A lower 38 can, if it`s not Fester,  easily be shot up with BnZ.

DO NOT GO VERTICAL BEHIND A CO-E 38 UNLESS YOU KNOW YOU`LL NAIL HIM. Nuff said.

She`s a tough b**ch, too - just killed one in a 190A8. 5 20mm and about 10 13mm hits smoked her right engine. The finishing blow was conducted with mgs only first - 100 rounds went into that same wing at 50yds. Before I overshot, I added the cannon for a half-second. Only then the wing ripped off.

The good thing about the P38 is that inexperienced Pilots can be suckered into a disatvantageos situation easily. Then you can proceed to BnZ it to death.

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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2003, 08:05:03 PM »
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Originally posted by akak
Just doing my part to enlighten the masses :D


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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2003, 10:50:50 PM »
Tragic that Jeffrey Ethell was killed in a Lightning. But I suppose given the choice it's the only way to go.

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« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2003, 03:42:33 AM »
His engine managment seemed not to be that natural.

poor guy

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« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2003, 04:14:28 AM »
lastnight I was experimenting with the P38 and using multiple throtles, I could not find it to help me though. I was not sure how it could. All it would do is make the plane unstable or goofy to fly. Does anyone fly the p38 using multiple throttles and if do how do you do it or how do use multi control of the engines to an advantage.
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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2003, 04:32:52 AM »
Flying the p38 from 1.02 without  dualthrotlle

never felt i needed it.

The p38 is a very good plane maybe the best in the MA.

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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2003, 04:50:35 AM »
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lastnight I was experimenting with the P38 and using multiple throtles, I could not find it to help me though. I was not sure how it could. All it would do is make the plane unstable or goofy to fly. Does anyone fly the p38 using multiple throttles and if do how do you do it or how do use multi control of the engines to an advantage.
            FBsmokey



I used a dual throttle for a couple of months to see if there was any benefit but I couldn't find one and went back to my Pro Throttle.


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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2003, 05:22:00 AM »
it doesnt help in reversals? near flat hammerheads? offset HOs?
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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2003, 08:59:07 AM »
dont listen to akak, he still thinks the C47 is a recon 38 ;)


Engines do help the P38 a lot, but its not like using 1 engine to turn will give you a super advantage.

Engine tricks with the 38:

-Turning: Lower throttle of engine on the side you are turning to 50% or lower while using rudder. This increases your instantaneous turn rate by about 10% and your continous turn rate by about 5%. Do not attempt this at speeds under 200mph unless you have your flaps out, the 38 will stall rather nasty in a sustained, 200mph or slower, no flaps continous turn.

-Sciscors: for some reason, lowering 1 engine to 50% or below while sciscoring (the engine on whos'e side you're twisting that is) gains you angles much faster. High danger of spinning though, attempt with 1 flap out at least.

-Hammerheads: Yawsh almighty! :D Trim elevator down to the "L" , point nose up 90 degrees, WEP the purty allisons and hang it to 10mph.. cut 1 engine to 0 throttle, rudder hard to its side with a little down-nose pressure, when nose points down cut remaining engine and put the other engine to max with a little rudder to counter your inertia, then put slam both engines to max. This makes your 38 literally flip sideways, without the dangerous nose-over that exposes your entire planform to the enemy thats stalling behind you. Extremely effective if done right, and best of all, since the 38 is a dragpotato, you can make "snap" hammerheads by cutting both engines and pointing nose up, flipping sideways and faceshooting that con that you just cant seem to get off your arse.

Note: The "snap" hammerhead is also very effective as a means to escape. The 38 will go from 400mph to 10mph extremely fast when engines are at 0 throttle and nose up, while any other plane in the set retains its energy almost twice as long. So in a fight that you *need* to get away from, you just dive to get speed, then snap-hammerhead ; the con in your 6 will not slow down, but will rather try and loop over to make another pass... which means that while he is going up and slowing down, your 38 is diving away at 400+ and by the time the con flips over the top of his loop, you will be at d1.8+ and have a good chance to get away. Priceless for a plane that can only outrun early war planeset :)

- Controlling engines also helps a lot when your 38 has lost a wingtip or has aleirons shot out. engines=aleirons if you get both aleirons shot out, and engine control+flap = a wingtipless 38 that can fly and land home safely.

- Stalls: In the RARE event that you stall your P-38 , you have the option of throttling 0% the engine opposite to your spin to regain control. Also, in a FLAT spin, a quick way to recover is to cut one engine, which makes the wing dip down and point your nose downwards.

Note: I have a training film of the hammerhead and "snap" hammerhead if anyone wants it.
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