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« on: May 15, 2003, 01:02:55 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2003, 01:22:56 PM »
MG34 team with a Schwimmwagen in the background. Hard to tell from the B&W image, but it looks like SS-pattern camo smocks.

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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2003, 04:00:04 PM »
...and I was JUST about to say that!!  OK, then I will say...ground targets for a P-47D-30!!!
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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2003, 05:24:16 PM »
Two guys who will never reenact, MG42 and schwimmwagen?
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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2003, 06:53:23 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2003, 11:32:36 PM »
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Two guys who will never reenact, MG42 and schwimmwagen?


On a zoomed look at the weapon, you're right; it does have the barrel shroud of an MG42. Hard to tell at the angle it's being held, though.

MG34:


MG42:
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2003, 08:52:34 AM »
is that Al Bundy??? :D

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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2003, 10:08:22 AM »
German squads were far superior to U.S, British and Russian squads.  

While U.S. squads had to rely on the BAR (with a mere 20 round magazine) for suppression fire, each German squad usually had either an MG34 or MG42.  The Russians often incorporated MGs into their squads, but they were so heavy and cumbersome that mobility was severely hampered.

Interesting note, the M60, while not an exact copy of the MG42 (measurement for measurement), is wholey based on it.

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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2003, 11:39:15 AM »
Schwimmwagen, MG 42, it is:)


   Generaly Speaking US squads were better outfited over all, Some German units did have signastudmuffinant firepower advantages this is true but not all, and MG34/42's were not as common as BAR's were in US squads, again this would depend on the unit.

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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2003, 11:44:59 AM »
German squads were set up around the mg34 or 42. The rest of the squad spread out and basically covered the mg position.

Americans were different they had different "weapons" squads.

The Bar even with just 20 rnds isnt nothing to sneeze at.

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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2003, 11:48:25 AM »
I gues to be claer you would or could say this: The BAR was an inhearent weapon in US riffle squads, the MG 34/42 was not an inhearnet weapon in all German rifle squads.

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2003, 07:44:08 PM »
if memory serves me correctly the m60 was based on three ww2 mgs. the ammo feed system was a copy of the mg42, the barrel was taken from the bren gun and i think the bolt and operating rod was from a czech mg. interestly the germans still used the mg42 in the 80s when i was in nato. it was called the mg3 it had very minor changes: 8mm to 7.62 nato, the barrel shroud was slightly different, but most important the rate of fire was reduced from a barrel burning 1200 rounds per min. to i think 800-850 rpm. what set this gun apart from the other mgs of this time was apart from the barrel and bolt it was made from stamped metal which made it very cheap to produce. the m2hbar(ma duece) .50, m1919 .30, bar, thompson sub were all made from a forged chunk of steel and then milled out to form the major parts. that made them rather expensive to make. with exception of the thompson those were all john browning designed weapons and thats just the way he built them, to last and work well. from what i have seen the m60 is being more or less phased out in favor of the fn 240c and the saw(squad automatic weapon). i think fabrique nationale was a john browning started company too. his belgium browning shotguns still are much sought after.
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« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2003, 04:11:07 PM »
The MG3 is very much still in use ... and in production in several countries.


Mg-3 in service with the Norwegian Army.
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« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2003, 04:01:50 PM »
i have seen several us soldiers make reference to the german squad mg loosing any real accuracy after just a few rounds. was a part of their tactics. wait for it to heat up then attack, the bar and 50 cal have a much lower tendency to loose accuracy ( admitedly bar had lower rof and feed system)


anyone else familiar with this?