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Offline Erlkonig

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Thank Clinton for a speedy victory in Iraq
« on: May 15, 2003, 05:41:23 PM »
Well, that's the title of  this editorial by the assistant secretary of defense under Reagan.  Pasting follows:  

Thank Clinton for a speedy victory in Iraq

By Lawrence J. Korb, 5/13/2003

WHILE IT is understandable that President George W. Bush and his secretary of defense are receiving plaudits for the relatively swift military victory in Iraq, the fact of the matter is that most of the credit for the successful military operation should go to the Clinton administration.

As Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld noted, the battle plan that led to the American success was that of General Tommy Franks, an Army officer appointed to head the Central Command by the Clinton administration. More important, the military forces that executed that plan so boldly and bravely were for the most part recruited, trained, and equipped by the Clinton administration.

The first Bush defense budget went into effect on Oct. 1, 2002, and none of the funds in that budget have yet had an impact on the quality of the men and women in the armed services, their readiness for combat, or the weapons they used to obliterate the Iraqi forces.

Given the way that Bush and his surrogates disparaged Clinton's approach to the military in his 2000 campaign, this is ironic. The president and his advisers claimed that Clinton had diminished the armed forces' fighting edge by turning them into social workers and sending them too often on ''useless'' nation-building exercises. These same people also claimed that Clinton had so underfunded the military that it was in a condition similar to that which existed on the eve of Pearl Harbor.

Throughout the summer and fall of 2000, Vice President Dick Cheney summed up the Bush team's sentiment toward what Clinton had done to the military: He went around the country telling the military and the nation that help and additional support were on the way for our troops.

Anyone examining the facts would know that these claims were bogus. The Clinton administration actually spent more money on defense than had the outgoing administration of the first President Bush. The smaller outlays during the first Bush administration were developed and approved by Dick Cheney and Secretary of State Colin Powell, who were then serving as secretary of defense and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff respectively.

Clinton's last secretary of defense, William Cohen, turned over to Rumsfeld a defense budget that was higher in real terms than what James Schlesinger had bequeathed to Rumsfeld when he took over the Pentagon for the first time in 1975 at the height of the Cold War.

Not only did Clinton spend a large amount of money on the military; most of it was spent wisely. In the first Persian Gulf War, less than 10 percent of the bombs and missiles that were dropped on Iraq were smart weapons. That number jumped to 70 percent during this war because the Clinton administration ordered large quantities of upgraded munitions that made these ''dumb'' weapons smart. The Clinton administration also invested heavily in the technology that gave the on-scene commanders a much more vivid picture of the battlefield than a decade ago.

It was the Clinton administration that improved the accuracy of the Tomahawk cruise missile and upgraded the Patriot missile, which was so much more effective this time than the original Patriot in the first Persian Gulf War. The Clinton administration also kept the quality of our military personnel high by closing the gap between military and private sector compensation, a gap that the first Bush administration had allowed to grow, and improving retirement and health benefits for military retirees.

So if this latest military effort warrants a victory parade for the troops, let's insist that Clinton and his secretaries of defense are invited. They deserve it. And if the Bush administration wants to learn how to rebuild the nation of Iraq, they might ask their predecessors how to go about it.

Lawrence J. Korb, director of national security studies at the Council on Foreign Relations, was assistant secretary of defense in the Reagan administration.

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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2003, 06:15:00 PM »
Heh heh.  Pretty good.  Is that from The Onion?

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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2003, 07:01:13 PM »
Hillary insisted that top military brass be prohibited from wearing their uniforms while visiting the White House.

She also claimed that her daughter was jogging in Battery Park when the planes hit the WTC and barely made it out.  (Her daughter was in fact recovering from a hangover in NYC's ritzy Carlyle Hotel when the **** hit the fan).

That squeak is the scum of the Earth.  She is also my senator.

But I loved the way she got booed off the stage by the NYC firemen when she took the stage at the music tribute.

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« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2003, 10:31:41 PM »
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Hillary insisted that top military brass be prohibited from wearing their uniforms while visiting the White House.

She also claimed that her daughter was jogging in Battery Park when the planes hit the WTC and barely made it out.  (Her daughter was in fact recovering from a hangover in NYC's ritzy Carlyle Hotel when the **** hit the fan).

That squeak is the scum of the Earth.  She is also my senator.

But I loved the way she got booed off the stage by the NYC firemen when she took the stage at the music tribute.


Did you vote for? I did'nt. How the hell did she get in?

Everywhere I went, I saw "Go Home Hillary" bumperstickers..and the biatch won!

Liberal Democrat state we live in.

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« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2003, 11:07:39 PM »
Clinton routinely cut military spending his first two years in office...or doesn't anybody remember that?

Spending on the military budget did not increase during the "Clinton administration" until the Republicans swept the Congressional elections in 1994.

Likewise, his record in using the military wasn't exactly a winning one.  Don't forget the debacle in Somalia or the lackadaisical use of our troops in Bosnia.

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« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2003, 11:50:16 PM »
The only training clintard did for the military was to let them know how much in contempt they were held by that family. To claim that clintard was responsible for any aspect of military training has as much credence as the claim that the moon is made of green cheese.  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2003, 12:20:25 AM »
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Clinton routinely cut military spending his first two years in office...or doesn't anybody remember that?


So did every Western democracy in world. Why do you think that is?

Clue: look to the East.
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« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2003, 12:27:17 AM »
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So did every Western democracy in world. Why do you think that is?

Clue: look to the East.


Because of the Atlantic Ocean?

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« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2003, 12:30:39 AM »
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Because of the Atlantic Ocean?


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« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2003, 12:37:06 AM »
Great article erlkoning I think it's pretty clear now that we can blame Clinton for the military disaster this war was... Remember this was almost a "quagmire" and the plan was failing from the get go and we are still only moments from total defeat... :rolleyes:

You cant have it both ways you little squeak...  ;)

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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2003, 12:38:31 AM »
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Did you vote for? I did'nt. How the hell did she get in?


The guy she was running against was even scummier than her: total Mafia-picked idiot who publicly accused her of doing exactly what he did (with regard to quid pro quo contributions), but the newspapers proved he was even worse of a scumbag than HC! Hard to believe, but actually true.

 I didn't vote for either of those scumsucking dingleberries.

I truly miss D.P. Moynihan.  at least he had integrity AND brains.

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« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2003, 02:48:45 AM »
Shuckins,

This what Rush told you?..  Clinton didn’t send troops to Somalia, Bushdaddy did.. The person charged with providing APC’s and tanks was Sec of State Colin Powell. As far as attack on Haiti, or 1995 NATO use of force to remove the Serbs from Bosnia and then in 1999 in Kosovo, those were complete successes without a single American combat loss of life.

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« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2003, 06:59:03 AM »
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Great article erlkoning I think it's pretty clear now that we can blame Clinton for the military disaster this war was... Remember this was almost a "quagmire" and the plan was failing from the get go and we are still only moments from total defeat... :rolleyes:

You cant have it both ways you little squeak...  ;)


But, but, but, Clinton gutted the military and made them into a bunch of queer-loving nancy boys incapable of winning even a bar fight and he got a blowjob in the Oval Office and he wagged the dog in Kosovo and he failed to authorize the use of nuclear warheads in Somalia and did I mention he got a blowjob in the Oval Office??? We all know Hillary was running the show anyway.

P.S. Call me a squeak again and I'll fight you at the con :mad:

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« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2003, 07:28:35 AM »
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....but the newspapers proved he was even worse of a scumbag than HC! Hard to believe, but actually true....


the NY Times strike again!

as for the title of this thread ...
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« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2003, 07:29:08 AM »
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Shuckins,

This what Rush told you?..  Clinton didn’t send troops to Somalia, Bushdaddy did.. The person charged with providing APC’s and tanks was Sec of State Colin Powell.  


Is this what Buzz Jameson or Whosis Jamison told YOU?

Because, once again, YOU ARE WRONG.

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Armor denial.107

The issue of the denial of armor to protect U.S. forces in Somalia is well known since it contributed to U.S. Defense Secretary Les Aspin’s resignation. The primary reason for the denial was that increasing U.S. firepower in Somalia would send the wrong signal since U.S. troops were there for humanitarian reasons.108 But the following evidence suggests that media coverage of Somalia directly impacted on the denial of armor.109

There were two requests for armored vehicles.110 Major General Montgomery requested a battalion task force in August after Aideed began targeting Americans. General Joseph Hoar, commander of U.S. Central Command, disapproved this request because of the improper perception it would broadcast.111 Hoar was in Mogadishu and with Montgomery during the September 9 ambush that President Clinton and Senator McCain later loathed so much, and he told Montgomery to resubmit his request but make it a smaller force.112 Montgomery did and the request went through the chain of command until it was passed to Aspin where it sat and received no action.113  Although this second request was not an actual denial, media requests in the aftermath of the Battle of 3 October portrayed it as such.114 The direct connection between the political upheaval after the much-publicized September 9 ambush and the inaction on the second request for armor is likely.115


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