Author Topic: where is the bottle neck? (Read 665 times)

bockusCk · « **on:** May 16, 2003, 05:26:07 AM »

I got new puter blt. for me by the computer guy down the street. And I am not getting fps that I hoped for. I am running XP w/ amd 2600 XP, ATI 7500le (PCI) 768 mb DDR mem. It has a MSI mother brd (pretty red one if that helps any) and via chipset. Monitor is a compaq 7550 colorreal.
FPS range from 75 down to about 20.

The only tweaks that I have done is to shut down uneeded services. I am new to XP and not very familar w/ it yet.
Hoping yall can ID the bottleneck here and be able to tell me whats dragging my fps down.

Bakus

straffo · « **Reply #1 on:** May 16, 2003, 05:46:17 AM »

I would say the ATI 7500.

capt. apathy · « **Reply #2 on:** May 16, 2003, 07:06:41 AM »

why did you get a pci vid-card?

bockusCk · « **Reply #3 on:** May 16, 2003, 07:25:01 AM »

I bought it orignally to go in old puter w/ a amd k6 480mhz. and took it out to go in this sys in effort to cut cost. Guess I am gonna have to cough up a new vid card anyway huh.

ALF · « **Reply #4 on:** May 16, 2003, 08:48:10 AM »

Youve got a Ferrari computer with a chevy vega transmision....all that CPU horsepower under the hood, but none of it can get to the road.....dump that PCI POS and get a good AGP card.

Ive got a Radeon 9800....and man it S C R E A M S...but theres no need to spend that much if money is an issue. For $100 less you can get radeon 9700, and that card with me AWSOME! If you need to go 'on the cheap' I'd get a GeFarce4 (did I say that....sorry....the latest benchmarking fiasco is still fresh in my mind....cheating sons of a ....but I digress Nvidia CHEATS ) Geforce4 4200ti-4600ti (runs away from anything that says MX....trust me)....the Geforce 4200ti will give you very good results...and the 4600ti improves that slightly, but not enough to spend much more...so dont pay much extra for the 4600Ti, but if its just a few $ more...go4it. The Geforce cant do that higher end stuff anywhere near the radeons, but for half the price...well its tempting (DX9 Pixel shader stuff, FSAA etc)

Ati Radeon 9800 ~$400 (Its good to be the king)

Ati Radeon 9700 ~$300 (Best BIG bang for the buck)

Geforce4 4200Ti ~$150-200 (best bang for the buck if FSAA and total DX9 support isnt a top priority)

Toms Hardware Benchmarks non DX9 critical

Toms Hardware Benchmarks with DX9 pixelshaders and such

bockusCk · « **Reply #5 on:** May 16, 2003, 06:35:28 PM »

Thanks Fellas,
Its unanimous the vid card blows. Alf thanks for the explantion as I am still trying to get the basics down. Your reply was what I needed, I will read up on those cards and prolly gogetit in the morning.

Also want to say excellent lvl bombing pages ya got, good job!

OIO · « **Reply #6 on:** May 18, 2003, 06:31:39 PM »

yep its the PCI card.

in simple, non-techical terms:

PCI=1X speed

AGP=8x speed

you got a screaming machine with one granny of a vid card. And in games, vid cards are #1 performance hwr.

you dont have a bottleneck. You're hung!

bockusCk · « **Reply #7 on:** May 19, 2003, 03:26:34 PM »

doing alright now, got a ati 9500 pro, fps are round 70-100+ soooo thats the end to the AH silde shows and disapearing cons. AS a result kill ratio getting alot closer to 1:1:D

Thanks for help fellas!

blackfalcon4 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 19, 2003, 08:48:42 PM »

ALF,

See the new GeForce FX 5900?

5900 Ultra

sourkraut · « **Reply #9 on:** May 20, 2003, 11:35:47 AM »

The GeForce4 TI4200 is a good value. You can get this board
for less than $90 without trying too hard. I paid $79.95.
Interestingly, the 64MB version of this board benchmarks slightly
faster than the 128MB (due to memory clock speeds).

This should last you quite awhile. I have a 2.53 MHz P4
and the TI4200 and I am always getting at least 60 FPS,
usually much higher.

~~Sour~~

ALF · « **Reply #10 on:** May 20, 2003, 05:54:44 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by blackfalcon4
ALF,

See the new GeForce FX 5900?

Yea...have you seen this lovely tidbit....

Nvidia Cheats

BTW....does that new ultra thingy still have the Jet engine on it? That was a huge disapointment for me. I built my new system to be very quiet....and the last FX card I was near required earplugs and cost $599.

Kev367th · « **Reply #11 on:** June 18, 2003, 06:45:59 PM »

But hold on.....hasn't ATI been caught cheating also.
Unless you are running better than 1600x1200x32 with AA etc you are not going to need a 5900, 5800's are coming down in price.
Seen one today for $249.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #12 on:** June 18, 2003, 07:57:52 PM »

This is a can of worms.

NVidia has 50 application detection mechanisms and 73 shader detection mechanisms in the current drivers. It has been proven that by renaming files, redoing shaders in benchmarks and so on, that the performance reported by those benchmarks drop, in some case, dramatically.
ATI is not clean either, but the extent of what they are doing appears to be more subtle as drops in performance are usually within 1 to 5 percent.

Right now, the industry at large, pretty much puts ATI ahead of NVidia in performance. The 9800Pro is also cheaper than the 5900Ultra.

The IQ of the current R3xx based products from ATI (9500-9800) use a better sampling algorythm for anti-aliasing than NVidia uses. This is just a mathematical fact. It give ATI an edge in IQ over NVidia. It also costs less in performance than NVidia.

The 5900Ultra does not use the 'dustbuster' fan that the 5800Ultra uses and the 5800Ultra is no longer in production.

The ATI and NVidia battle is far from over, and there are many subjective things going on as well.

There are many sites on the Internet reporting all this. The review sites are not talking about this as much due to possible litigation from the video card makers. NVidia already threw lawyers at Futuremark about the 'issues' with 3DMark2003.

Reschke · « **Reply #13 on:** June 19, 2003, 12:01:31 PM »

hehehe Dustbuster...I had a friend buy one of those overpriced 5800s and when I walked into his office it sounded like my computer with the sides off and all 9 of my fans running. He only has 3 case fans plus that big bellybutton HSF on the 5800 and it was so loud I thought I was on the flight line getting ready to take off in a F-14 with full power and no ear protection.

6GunUSMC · « **Reply #14 on:** September 02, 2003, 05:00:52 PM »

I use a GeforceFX 5600 256MB, it seems fine. I play other games besides AH. If you play any OpenGL based games, you want a NVIDIA card.