Suiciding the CV en masse! -film, and <S> FrankB and AKPanthr

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Yeager
The suicide porker cheapens the whole experience.

Indeed, Yeager. Hence my original post in this very thread.

[Toad]

A subtle difference.

Killing all the FH's at a particular field has the same effect on the entire planeset available to all players.

Porking the fuel down to 25% at a particular field has an unequal effect on various planes in the planeset that are available to all players. IE: 25% fuel in a P-51 is still enough to takeoff, climb, travel a bit, engage and RTB.  25% fuel in an FM-2 is not enough to do that.

So, the difference between killing FH's and porking fuel is that it has an unequal effect on a player's plane choice.

Early war players are penalized more than late war players in the case of the fuel. All are penalized the same in the case of killing all the FH's.

[beet1e]

True enough, Mr. Toad. But the glass is half full! OK, the FM2 may have to do what you and I would do, and move to a different base. But he has the added option of transferring to a P51 himself, or of taking comfort in the knowledge that at least the P51s can get up at the original base, and help to keep it from being overrun. Why would said FM2 pilot object to the fact that his own P51 comrades can get airborne even if he can't? I know I wouldn't.

[Toad]

Again Beet1e, it's choice. Why should one type (Early War, for example) player be penalized more than another type player?

Would you be just as sanguine if when one FH went down, all 1943 introduction planes and later were suddenly removed from the selection list?

If when two hangars were down, nothing introduced after 1942 was available?

The planeset should be equally available and equally useable by all the players.


Then there's the whole point about balance in hitting fuel and resupplying fuel. One player can do in 5 mintues what it takes 7 players 10-15 minutes to repair.

But we've tilled that ground enough, I think.

[Silat]

Originally posted by Yeager
Just increase the cost of subscription back to $29.95 like it was early on.  That will get rid of alot of that cheap crap and bring the fun factor back to a worthwhile level.

Yes good idea . Then we can go back to a higher class of dweeb........NOT

                   

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Toad
Again Beet1e, it's choice. Why should one type (Early War, for example) player be penalized more than another type player?

All planes should be equal. But we have to accept that some planes will always be more equal than others! I feel the pain of Mr. FM2. My CHOG doesn't go far on 25% either. But I usually find that if the fuel has been porked to 25%, we've got the enemy all over us like a cheap suit, so we don't need to go far, and we want the manoeuvrability to be enjoyed when carrying a light fuel load anyway. A 190A5 with 25% fuel is a good choice in that situation.

As to inequalities in AH, I feel that fuel porkage is the tip of the gameplay iceberg, what with it being 1945 every day in there. Every day, I fly planes like the P47 and F4U - not the fastest, and certainly not the best climbers, and have to contend with LA7/190D9/P51 cherrypickers. The inequalities precipitated by the fuel porkage issue seem small beer by comparison.

My original point had been that some suicide fuel porkees had complained that the SF Porkor were "ruining their game". As we agree, this is a nonsense because the option is there to go back to another base. They're not going to get enough alt at the porked base anyway, and are likely to be vulched. If we're now saying that the solution is to treat all planes equally, and maybe allow the fuel to be porked back to ZERO % so that no-one can take off at all, would that placate the SFPorkee whiners? If the answer is YES, then it follows that their real gripe is that they have a beef about their own comrades being able to fly long distance when they can't.

I can see that Mr. FM2 (and we all know who he is ) perceives the current situation as "unfair", but I do not accept that it is "ruining the game", as some people claim.

[Toad]

Once again, you twist the frame of reference.

There's no mention of equality of planes. The reference is to planeset equality and player choice equality.

Refer back to the Trinity thread and refresh your memory. Even the mapmaker of Trinity didn't agree with you.

[Yeager]

Silat

could just as easily imagine the price coming down to 9.95

Imagine then that AH was provided free to anyone with a internet connect.

What would you imagine each of the above scenarios impact would be on the game you enjoy today?

I enjoyed the game alot more when the community was alot smaller.  AKA 29.95

Thats all Im saying.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Toad
Refer back to the Trinity thread and refresh your memory. Even the mapmaker of Trinity didn't agree with you.

Oh I know. And I don't disagree. Remember, I like to do a bit of everything - including those goon/M3 resupply missions. Damned frustrating to do those and not make an impact.

But against the whole backdrop of concerns about AH1, I still maintain that the fuel porkage issue is small beer, and I'm one of the ones most affected by it!  BTW I used to fly the P51D, but I prefer more of a challenge than what it has to offer.

And I agree with Yeager - the suiciding can spoil things, although the fuel porker/FH porker is usually a one time deal. It's the "Repeated Uppage Suicide Porker/RUSP" (subject of my initial post) that spoils it for me in the end. Fuel Porker I can handle. But hey - fix Trinity, and I'll drive M3 supply sorties.

BTW, Mr. Toad. I was in St. Paul's Cathedral today - went in the American servicemen's chapel. I believe you posted some pics from there a while back.

[Grimm]

Originally posted by Yeager


I enjoyed the game alot more when the community was alot smaller.  AKA 29.95

Thats all Im saying.

OK,  Now I get  your point Yeager  

Unfortunatley there isnt really any going back.  If the community starts to shrink alot,  its not a good sign relating to the health of AH.

[Toad]

Fuel at 25% would be "small beer" unless:

1. You primarily desire to fly Early War rides

AND

2. The arena map is the current Trinity, with Airfields spread pretty far apart.

Then, 25% is a full pint or perhaps even a case. (It can be a problem on Pizza to, but to a lesser degree.)

I'm optimistic, however, that NB's revision of Trinity adding ~16 new AIRfields/CV's and converting 25-30 V-fields into AIRfields will pretty much solve this problem.

Given those changes, it's all going to work out. High AIRfield density will solve a lot of the problem.

I think.

Yes, I enjoy Saint Paul's. Even the long climb up to the dome. The American Chapel is a moving experience for me. From both perspectives.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Toad
Yes, I enjoy Saint Paul's. Even the long climb up to the dome. The American Chapel is a moving experience for me. From both perspectives.

Yes I went up into the top of the dome, and the Golden Gallery - all 580 steps. Second time for me. There's an ante room at the top with a perspex panel in the metal floor, looking down on to the cathedral floor 280' below. However, the cathedral is being refurbished in preparation for its 300th anniversary celebrations, and there is scaffolding up in the dome, suspended in part by ropes passing through that perspex window up to the very top of the dome.

[lazs2]

I rest my case... do we really want a whole arena full of these guys?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[muckmaw]

Using Lancs for Dive bombers.

Sorry bro, but that's up there on my top ten list of things not to do.

It's so gamey.

I sink CV's level bombing in B-26 flights from 5-10K, and fly home.

Why die AND be gamey when you don't have to?

Please don't dive bomb in Heavy's. You give the rest of the bomber pilots a bad name by doing so.

[Toad]

Torpedo Squadron Eight.

The guy has a point.