Author Topic: What's up with Jabo newbies? (Read 990 times)

hogenbor · « **on:** May 19, 2003, 09:07:39 AM »

Last weekend I did a bit of flying. I noted on several occasions attacking Jabos, mostly P-38's, P-51's but also a lone Hellcat who really didn't know their stuff.

On one occasion I took off all alone in a 109G-2 and saw 4(!) P-51's attacking my field. Within seconds three of them bore down and crashed straight into the ground without hitting anything or even (visually at least) releasing bombs. 3 proxy kills without doing hardly anything! The fourth just fled... and I saw more crashes that day that went like this, sadly without proxy kills for me

I know of suicide dweebs but aren't they supposed to hit something instead of the ground?

Unrelated but great was the time when a guy made feint attacks from 3 and 9 o'clock on a formation of B-26's while calling over vox that 'maybe I could sneak on his six'. Like heck I would! I approached out of reach of the tail guns, pulled up and blasted them all three to pieces within 5 seconds. I love it when that happens

gofaster · « **Reply #1 on:** May 19, 2003, 09:24:13 AM »

I'm going to take this opportunity to endorse the 109G10 with 30mm in the nose and 20mm on the wings. Fast enough to catch bomb-toting Mustangs and has the firepower to knock out a bomber on 1 pass.

And I love the number of HO kills I can get with this thing without trying, because of the number of new guys that fly straight at me, thinking I only have a single 20mm cannon.

Furball · « **Reply #2 on:** May 19, 2003, 09:29:09 AM »

i always see it with p38's attacking a field, a typical sortie goes like this : -

Dive in on airfield from 15k, drop bombs and miss. Then they either pull up and get annihilated by a hoarde of fighters, or never pull out of their original dive and create some nice Moon stylee craters on our nice field.

Don't think i have ever seen one survive a jabo raid!

dracon · « **Reply #3 on:** May 19, 2003, 09:46:02 AM »

Is this Goin' Somewhere? Hope you guys don't get hurt patting yourselves on your backs?

1st - The P-51's seems to compress more easiliy here than in any other SIMM. Right?, Wrong? Who knows. The newbies gonna take a while to figure this out.

2nd - Glad you like the G10.

3rd - The P-38 is my favorite JABO ride. It do take some practice to dump da stuff though.

4th - Been here 5+ months. Came from Warbirds after 6 years there. The air is thinner here. Radar is misleading?? I have seen huge red bars and no enema. Consversly as you have seen, one can start his Jabo run and suddenly find TOOO many cons where you didn't think there were many or any.

It would be great if you guys addewd some Newbie tips to this thread.

gofaster · « **Reply #4 on:** May 19, 2003, 10:10:14 AM »

Ok, here are some tips:

The P-51 is fast, real fast, with great visibility. But in the Jabo role, there are better planes out there.

My favorite jabo ride is the F4U-1D. You get the same bomb load-out plus 2 more rockets, and its easier (and safer) to aim rockets than to divebomb. 8 rockets will take down a vehicle hangar. If you miss a rocket or two, the F4U-1D's six .50cals can finish the job. The F4U-1D is also more durable than the Mustang and less prone to being shot down by ground fire.

Runner up would be the P47D (the silver version). 10 rockets, 3 bombs, 8 machine guns. Its a single engine bomber.

Compression is the leading cause of death in new guys doing jabo attacks. One way to avoid this is to chop your throttle as soon as you go nose down. I also like to drop 2 notches of flaps, as the sound of the flaps being retracted automatically when you start to get fast acts as a sort of overspeed warning claxon.

When you go in on your run, make sure you release your bombs first, since they weigh more than rockets. If you try a hard pull-out with a pair of 1,000 pounders on your wings, you're liable to self-destruct. Also, if 1 bomb hits and the other misses, you can bat clean-up with a rocket or two and use the other rockets against any ground vehicles that might have upped to defend the field.

When attacking a fresh field, I leave my bombs at home and just bring the rockets. My first run over the field is to take out the flak. The next run is to fire the rockets without worrying about flak. Or, if your target is the vh, then strafe the vh flak on your initial run-in and fire your rockets as you fly past the hangar. You should be able to kill the flak and take down the hangar in 1 pass. After this, work on taking out the AA guns near the runway, then take out the guns at the city (if there's a base capture imminent, otherwise just leave them be).

Don't do a hard pull-out after your run because you'll either pull off your wings or loose too much speed or both. Extend out with a long, sweeping climb to conserve your speed.

Mini D · « **Reply #5 on:** May 19, 2003, 11:32:19 AM »

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What's up with Jabo newbies?

You sure they weren't just MAWs?

SlapShot · « **Reply #6 on:** May 19, 2003, 11:36:05 AM »

"You sure they weren't just MAWs?"

Yup !!!

hazed- · « **Reply #7 on:** May 19, 2003, 01:00:23 PM »

heres a few tips for jabo on 190s:

Basically if youwant to do a high speed dive without the high risk of compression then start your attack from @10k. From this alt its pretty difficult to compress unless you take a shallow full power dive. This however makes you more vulnerable to interception due to you lack of alt but if you arrive at 10k at a good turn of speed you can usually dodge defenders and punch through.
The 190 is a great aircraft for avoiding ack but you have to get used to jinking in your dives then at last minute rolling level for stable drop.
I prefer to use a long fast shallow attack with 190s but they are also very good for vertical dives. If you want to try the shallow dive make sure you build up a great deal of speed. This way the bomb when realeased has more chance of hitting where you aim and not fall short.I basically dive at 40 degrees nose down, go full power with wep, gently weave in and out of the tracer from ack.As i get close i level my wings (still in dive) steady myself for a stable platform aiming the recticle slightly above the target (never use rudder here it doesnt aftect the direction of the bomb but can fool you into thinking youre on target) pull up slightly and release then extend weaving again and eventually if area clear reverse for second pass. If you are in the 190a8 use 4x20mm but set the guns at a convergence 50 to 100 yards apart.This creates a wider 'box' of hits and means poor accuraccy isnt such a problem.If youre a good shot this doesnt apply much.
A 190a8 with 1x500kg+4x20mm can take down a hanger and still be left with almost 200 rounds of 20mm, its quite a usefull field deacker due to its excellent roll capability.Barrel rolls are usefull on egress from acks too.
Its not to effective with guns vs panzers and flak but 500kg will kill anything, even tiger if you're lucky.
basically its a good hit and run aircraft but it can be used as a vultcher just as easily.
Try burning off your aft fuel tank first with it as it handles much better in the vertical i find when i do this.

Oh bad thing though, get used to landing with half a wing and expect oil damage regularly

ccvi · « **Reply #8 on:** May 19, 2003, 01:36:49 PM »

Best Jabo in the game is the Ju88.

It comes complete with dive flaps and carries a bigger load than the B17...

anton · « **Reply #9 on:** May 19, 2003, 02:31:26 PM »

P47-D, get level speed at 17-18k alt, your very likely to get in, its tuff as nails, holds Alot of firepower & basically doesnt compress. Its so tuff I have reached deck of NME CV on numerous occasion.(ship has been sunk) 8)
Anton

snocone · « **Reply #10 on:** May 19, 2003, 02:54:10 PM »

i dont think 8 hvar rockets will kill a hanger alone, that is only about 1200 lbs of explosives

udet · « **Reply #11 on:** May 19, 2003, 02:54:42 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
I'm going to take this opportunity to endorse the 109G10 with 30mm in the nose and 20mm on the wings. Fast enough to catch bomb-toting Mustangs and has the firepower to knock out a bomber on 1 pass.

neah, I don't agree, the 20mm gondolas spoil the G10s main advantage: enuff speed to get the heck away from those La7s ':)

RightF00T · « **Reply #12 on:** May 19, 2003, 03:25:39 PM »

I guess he was talking about a Vbase hanger. 10 100lb rockets= 1000lbs. Just enough to take out if all of them hit.

Sixpence · « **Reply #13 on:** May 19, 2003, 03:50:08 PM »

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Originally posted by ccvi
Best Jabo in the game is the Ju88.

It comes complete with dive flaps and carries a bigger load than the B17...

Shhhhhhhhhh, don't tell them about the dive brakes;)

And for those of you who might ask, the Ju88 really had dive brakes in the war. At the time it was designed, all bombers were required to be able to dive bomb.

Don · « **Reply #14 on:** May 19, 2003, 07:14:19 PM »

Dracon, if you see nme darbar and then no dar bar, that most times will mean the nme are attacking an area, and have gone in low to hit the field. Same for seeing no nme in an area, getting low, and running into a boatload of nme Nikis, La7s and spits. They will have just taken off or are circling around their field acks.
Gravity sucks in this sim, and therefore, you will pick up speed very fast on a jabo run. Simply avoid diving straight down onto a target; always go in at least at a 45 degree angle with chopped throttle and (if yer plane has em) dive brakes.