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Offline Arfann

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« Reply #60 on: May 21, 2003, 09:11:58 AM »
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Its the same if you used it to denounces americas entery into WW2 after the pearl harbor attack.

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Yep. That's why, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor we immediately declared war on China.
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« Reply #61 on: May 21, 2003, 09:21:01 AM »
Gscholz:

Then why could FDR just say we were under attack by germany, declare the pacifits unpatriotic, and go off to war before pearl harbor - rememer it works the same in any country...


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No,  but we also didnt turn down germany's declaration of war either.... We are taking care of business, plain and simple and saddam was one of our enemies and allied with al-qaeda in wishing destruction on the USA...

The fact is that the goering quote does not work here- nobody except the terrorists had to tell the american people that we were under attack.
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« Reply #62 on: May 21, 2003, 09:22:11 AM »
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Yep. That's why, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor we immediately declared war on China.


Now I understand your views.  You just really aren't that bright.  That isn't an insult, many people aren't that bright.  They just need things explained to them better.  I'll try to help.

See, the US was attacked by a terrorist organization.  They don't have a country, and are made up of various races.   We declared war against terrorism.  Since terrorists aren't geospecific, we attack where they are, and the governments that support them.  The Taliban supported Al Queda, so we attacked them.

Iraq was a seperate issue.  It just so happened that they had terrorists there, and that the Iraqi gov't supported them, so interests overlapped.  

I hope that helps you out.
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« Reply #63 on: May 21, 2003, 09:28:50 AM »
banana I understand your point, but I have to agree with everyone else.

I can think of times on deployment that I would have wiped my bellybutton with a hundred dollar bill, but cut a man's throat for a can of beer.
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« Reply #64 on: May 21, 2003, 09:31:52 AM »
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Isn't it though? Wellll. Not living in Arkansas or being in the Air Force, how could I possibly know and why should I care that President Clinton never visited that AFB? If it hurt you, personally, so much I suggest you send him a personal email expressing how much you missed seeing him. (assuming you were either at that base or a resident of Arkansas or????)


Hurt me? Nothing that slime ball did hurt me in the way you suggest. Hurt the country? Damn right, in oh so many ways.

Yeah, I spent a couple years at that base, retired from there. Learned of his lack of support from a few that had been there a long time.

Guess I will always hold in contempt those that grovel at his feet.
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« Reply #65 on: May 21, 2003, 11:17:24 AM »
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Now I understand your views.  You just really aren't that bright.  That isn't an insult, many people aren't that bright.  They just need things explained to them better.  I'll try to help.

See, the US was attacked by a terrorist organization.  They don't have a country, and are made up of various races.   We declared war against terrorism.  Since terrorists aren't geospecific, we attack where they are, and the governments that support them.  The Taliban supported Al Queda, so we attacked them.

Iraq was a seperate issue.  It just so happened that they had terrorists there, and that the Iraqi gov't supported them, so interests overlapped.  

I hope that helps you out.


OMG, I been figured out! I'm not that bright! Oh, woe is me! So please, please explain to poor pitiful me what "separate issue" is defined by the fiery WTC pic Grunhilda posted. Man, you guys gettin' tangled up in yer tutus with all the fancy footwork.
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« Reply #66 on: May 21, 2003, 11:19:16 AM »
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Hurt me? Nothing that slime ball did hurt me in the way you suggest. Hurt the country? Damn right, in oh so many ways.

Yeah, I spent a couple years at that base, retired from there. Learned of his lack of support from a few that had been there a long time.

Guess I will always hold in contempt those that grovel at his feet.


Grovel? At his feet? Hmmm. Must have missed something. Probably couldn't see the grovellers for all the whiny dogs snapping at his heels. Couldn't get a tooth in him either. That's gotta leave psychological scars.
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« Reply #67 on: May 21, 2003, 11:24:06 AM »
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The fact is that the goering quote does not work here- nobody except the terrorists had to tell the american people that we were under attack.


But, obviously, not by Iraq. Any ties between Saddam and Osama were (are) tenuous if not totally imaginary until our invasion possibly drove them together. Way to go Dubya!
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« Reply #68 on: May 21, 2003, 11:28:30 AM »
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OMG, I been figured out! I'm not that bright! Oh, woe is me! So please, please explain to poor pitiful me what "separate issue" is defined by the fiery WTC pic Grunhilda posted. Man, you guys gettin' tangled up in yer tutus with all the fancy footwork.


You can't even follow your own conversation.  Perhaps senility is setting in.
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« Reply #69 on: May 21, 2003, 11:36:00 AM »
LOL Martlet, Arfann is just a "post potato" just posting to post.


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« Reply #70 on: May 21, 2003, 11:39:15 AM »
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LOL Martlet, Arfann is just a "post potato" just posting to post.


:D


Well, is he Arfann or is he Gronk?
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« Reply #71 on: May 21, 2003, 11:46:38 AM »
Just how many Bases did Bush visit as Texas Governor?:rolleyes:
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« Reply #72 on: May 21, 2003, 11:49:00 AM »
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Well, is he Arfann or is he Gronk?


Let's see. The user name is Arfann. The posts are signed GronK. Hmmm. Nope. Hopeless. Being senile and all, I just can't figure it out. Let me know if you do.
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« Reply #73 on: May 21, 2003, 11:50:45 AM »
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LOL Martlet, Arfann is just a "post potato" just posting to post.


:D


I didn't post that potato! Well I was gonna but being senile and all I . . . . . . . . .err. . . . . . . ah . . . . . . . . What was the question?
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« Reply #74 on: May 21, 2003, 11:58:44 AM »
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Showing conclusively that you've been sucked in like the rest. 9-11 certainly was justification to go after Al Qaeda and the Afghani government that protected him. Hell, it would even validate invading Saudi Arabia, where most of the perps came from. Our neighbor Canada has been safe haven for some who attempted to do us harm. But not Iraq. Again I say "BUT NOT IRAQ!!" So you say Hussein was (is?) a tyrant who murdered his own people? Sure, but there are many of the same ilk all over the world. Not our problem. The infamous WMD? None found yet, and how about Israel, Pakistan, and India. Shall we invade them next?  

You may now return to the Rush Wannabe vituperation class.



Incidently, though I'm not exactly wild about Bush, I *do* support the CIC when we're in a war.  To answer your question of "was it worth it"...maybe we should ask the relatives of these poor souls?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,5944-679716,00.html

We went into Germany to take Hitler out of power, and found his mass graves and the ovens....the similiarity of Iraq is ironic (And yes, Saddam studied Hitler and Stalin very thoroughly, he was well rehearsed and schooled on them)

Gronk, will *you* be one of those in 20 years that say none of the genocide ever happened, for simple subborn political beliefs you carry? :(
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