Author Topic: What made me angry today... (Read 2033 times)

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #30 on:** May 22, 2003, 02:21:52 AM »

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
not oppinion at all if the sanctioning body of a military action is aginst present action. your assertion that the old order supercedes a newer is just plain stupid. and more than a little sad. (similar to germans i ww2 believing poland attacked them in fact hauntingly so)

if you want to be a roman be a roman dont pretend you are moraly justified by quibblingh its insulting to those who know better.

And here we go again with the usa & bush = nazi germany & hitler...

Your hatred for this country, for bush and your unceasing madness are beyond belief, hauntingly so...

Tumor · « **Reply #31 on:** May 22, 2003, 02:23:25 AM »

Ahhhh leave the old bitty alone... like Lord Dork Doofus say's, she was just goin with her conscience. Heck, she prolly just a left over 60's hippie chick reaching out for her lost youth.

Lizard3 · « **Reply #32 on:** May 22, 2003, 02:24:00 AM »

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
not oppinion at all if the sanctioning body of a military action is aginst present action. your assertion that the old order supercedes a newer is just plain stupid. and more than a little sad. (similar to germans i ww2 believing poland attacked them in fact hauntingly so)

if you want to be a roman be a roman dont pretend you are moraly justified by quibblingh its insulting to those who know better.

OK, but don't pretend your more intelligent and know better just because you think your morals are so much higher than ours. Thats insulting.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #33 on:** May 22, 2003, 03:02:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Tumor
Ahhhh leave the old bitty alone... like Lord Dork Doofus say's, she was just goin with her conscience. Heck, she prolly just a left over 60's hippie chick reaching out for her lost youth.

You mean like rooting for the VC communists as they were killing our servicemen or torturing them in their prison camps - check that...

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #34 on:** May 22, 2003, 04:02:29 AM »

no i dont but the reasons for that war were questionable at best.

the guys who faught and died there may have prefered not to. we cant ask them can we. they werent defending the nation against forign agressors as is was sold to them and the public and alot of good americans faught that war tooth and nail you call them trators? good on ya but your wrong.

lizard 3 i didnt say my morals were higher than anyones, but i can see that would be the conclusion. i spelled out my very clear reasons for calling bull**** on the u.n. sanctioning of the second war. you think t calls peoples morals into question well yea i agree. start a thread.

now this one is a hoot.

"your hatred for this country, for bush and your unceasing madness are beyond belief, hauntingly so..."

grunhertz

i have no hatred of this country im a vet ( openly questioned here because i dont tote the party line. )

i do do feel hate for bush because of his actions and lies.

the assertion of madness i guess is just an insult hoping to make me mad, htc lets you do this still? id report you but conservative loudmouths just never seem to get and action from the moderators here funny that.

or are you a psychologist? and feel my words here justify your professional diagnosis? betting your just a jerk.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #35 on:** May 22, 2003, 04:44:16 AM »

IMHO you take your personal hatred of bush way too far and thats why so many people respond to your posts they way we do. The incessant bush=hitler comarisons and allusions are both factually inacurate and I think idiotic - they clearly demonstrate your illogical hatred for bush and your continued use of them betrays an ignorance of historical contexts and concepts. The president of the USA is simply not hitler, the USA is not nazi germany - anyone who consistently implies such rubbish really should rethink why they keep making such rediculos accusations.

Maverick · « **Reply #36 on:** May 22, 2003, 10:20:42 AM »

Sigh, lil dip vacant, the sanctioning body for the US military is the population of the US. All indications are that there was and still is rather overwhelming support for the actions taken in iraq. You argument doesn't hold water there.

The illegal war claim is also smoke and mirrors. The war was declared with plenty of advance notice including the terms for not taking actions and had a un basis even though the several of the larger nations decided to back out once they realized their fiduciary interests in iraq would likely suffer if saddumb was toppled. BTW there is no refferee or war declaration office in the world that accepts conflict applications to make it "legal".

If you understand combat troops, you know that NONE of them prefer to be in a combat situation. They do understand the necessity of that situation however and particularly in a voluntary military know that in advance. They didn't HAVE to join up in other words. Any soldier that claims they didn't understand they would actually have to fight after joining up is a rather sorry excuse for a thinking being.

Badger · « **Reply #37 on:** May 22, 2003, 10:25:56 AM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
T I know quite a few people who would like to come to the USA, but can't get in, while these traitors are allowed in without questions. It boggles the mind.

(Raises hand very high!!!!)

Funked... You want to adopt me?

It doesn’t mean we'd be going steady though.

Regards,
Badger

Toad · « **Reply #38 on:** May 22, 2003, 11:05:12 AM »

LDV: Hope the sources cited finally clear this issue up for you.

However, I doubt it because IIRC despite numerous explanations directly from source documents, you still willfully and vociferously refuse to accept the Electoral College's role in this Republic.

US Constitution, Article I

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Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water

Congress Says Yes To Iraq Resolution

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Both the House and the Senate have now voted to authorize war-making powers for President Bush, who heralded the chamber's vote as a resounding message to United Nations and to the world that "the gathering threat of Iraq must be confronted fully and finally."

The resolution - which authorizes President Bush to launch a military attack against Iraq if he decides it is necessary[/u] - was approved by the House Thursday evening and the Senate followed suit shortly after 1 a.m. Friday.

In the House, the vote was 296-133, with a majority of Democrats voting against the resolution.

In the Senate, the vote was 77-23, with 21 Democrats voting no, joined by Independent Sen. Jim Jeffords of Vermont and Republican Sen. Linc Chafee of Rhode Island.

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #39 on:** May 22, 2003, 01:10:53 PM »

The term illegal is put forth from a international point of view as in the U.N. pointedly did not sanction the war. i.e. it was a war of aggression against a power that was no real threat ( i say again they weren't attacking us and didn't have wmd and no evidence of aid or support of osama his mortal enemy is known either).

anyone care to debate if the u.n. thought it was a legal action?

that said you can state that it was legal because bush said it was and be correct but by the same logic if he decided to attack canada and his red tied party drones in congress agreed it would be just as legal. but then again he said there were wmd and that was a lie also. this brings up the question. if he told the gop canada was targeting us with mustard gas would they believe it ? hell the guys a confirmed coke head, drunk driver,military deserter, also some of his private comments really show he is not very intelligent and frankly a idiot. you want quotes? there are tons you debate they are true? some really scary ones are on tape.

so it was within bushes powers to force the war and he is a idiot. the fact that such a man can become president of the united states against the majority of the american public at all points to a serious flaw in our electoral system and calls into question the reason for for the oddities in it. the days of semi independent states united under a loose federal government died with my great great grandaddy at Vicksburg. the feds control all now.

who does the texas republican lawmaker call to find his political rivals? the freindly republican appointees at the dpt of reich security. record burning the following day in good republican fashion also. good lord this isn't suspicious to you ? is there an end to the support of men openly hiding public things from the public?

p.s. its illegal to destroy such records in texas also. they are trying to hide who gave the order want to bet what party he was in if they can find him under the partizan lies protecting their own?

p.p.s.
green hart by the way the comparison with hitler was unintentional i was thinking of the incident where dead polish soldiers were shown at attackers to scare the german public and goad them to war.
it was essentially the same thing as the staged radio conversations and faked evidence of wmd. the situation was quite similar. two immoral men taking care of business.

so grun you were the one who brought up hitler angle i do agree tho.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #40 on:** May 22, 2003, 01:28:08 PM »

"it was essentially the same thing as the staged radio conversations and faked evidence of wmd. the situation was quite similar. two immoral men taking care of business. "

You mean like the fake staged "evidence" you are supposedly presenting in that very statement?

rpm · « **Reply #41 on:** May 22, 2003, 01:37:25 PM »

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader
also some of his private comments really show he is not very intelligent and frankly a idiot. you want quotes? there are tons you debate they are true?

LDV, better open mouth and extract foot:

illeagle - illegal
missled - misled
oppinion - opinion
plane - plain
contiued - continued
wasent - was'nt
faught - fought
forign - foreign
trators - traitors
bushes - Bush's

Steve · « **Reply #42 on:** May 22, 2003, 01:38:41 PM »

More lies and lunacy from Vader.. how long must we put up with his negligibly coherent babble?

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #43 on:** May 22, 2003, 01:55:42 PM »

yea babble ok great retorts.

Toad · « **Reply #44 on:** May 22, 2003, 03:02:02 PM »

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader

anyone care to debate if the u.n. thought it was a legal action?

Anyone care to debate that the UN has sovereignity over the US or any nation?

Didn't think so.

As the Constitution says, Congress has the warmaking powers and by a large majority, both Democrat and Republican, they gave it to the President.

So, the "red tied party drones" is just more bile. 373 out of 529 possible votes of ALL the people's representatives. That's 70%. So get over it already.

As for WMD, it's been less than a month after the combat phase was declared over. Give it a bit before you bile over. The "Instant Gratification" thing sort of conflicts with the "US must take the long view" diatribes, doesn't it?

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Originally posted by lord dolf vader

the majority of the american public at all points to a serious flaw in our electoral system and calls into question the reason for for the oddities in it.

There's another view of this as well. Some may view it as a "flaw". I view it as a major benefit. The Electoral College keeps smaller states and all rural areas "in the loop". If it were abolished, candidates wouldn't even bother to visit less populated states. Nominees would concentrate on big cities and population states, mainly in the Northeast and California. Yeah.. that's who I want picking my President... the Northeast and California.

NOT!

The way it is assures at least a little balance between "big city" and "rural" populations. The little guys can't get "written off" in the campaigns and politicking.

Feel free to disagree. But it's Constitutional, just like the First and Second Amendments. There have been a lot of attempts to remove the EC, something like 700. But there she stands, and she's a beauty to my eyes. Long live the EC!