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Offline Charon

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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2003, 02:40:20 PM »
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Wow, very interesting. Finnish Air Force faced a similar situation. The Brewsters were less maneuverable and climbed worse than the I16s and I153s they faced. They were marginally faster though. Wind's lectures were especially intended for Brewster pilots. "How to wage war in the BW"...

The FAF solution for "not going to win any maneuvering contests" was classic BnZ tactics. Attack from above and use the element of surprise. TnB was a big no-no, and head on shots were to be avoided.

Interesting differences in philosophy between the different air forces!!


Camo, that's probably more a case of apples and oranges. If the Brewesters had x6 .50 cals and heavy armor, and was used mainly in low altitude ground attack, then perhaps Finnish tactics would have been closer to those with the P-40 :) At the time (mid war), the P-40 had a marginal turning(?)/rolling  advantage over the 109/190 but no speed or climb advantage. It also didn't have the numbers through much of the early Med. and when used for ground attack was even less likely to have an advantage in either surprise or altitude.

The ultimate philosophy chosen to overcome the P-40's limitations by the US Air Corp was the P-51, P-47 and P-38. I believe the Me-109G was the ultimate solution for the Finns, combined with those tactics. Of course, having some operational discretion on when to engage and when not to engage makes those tactics even more valid :)

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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2003, 04:03:24 PM »
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Originally posted by Furball
Only time i actually go for the HO is when i see the plane shooting at me from 3k out and i know its a newb.

Or when im upping at a capped field, the way i see it is it only takes me 10 seconds to up again if we both die.  They have to fly all the way back to base.


Ditto.

Basically, If they don't HO I won't either.  When it is over a base melee, anything goes and I understand it. When I am in a 3 on 1 and they have La-7s, hey don't need ot face shoot me and that stuff is for rutabagas.

I have had guys maneuver for the HO when I was in a Val and a Kate--that is pure ***** there.  

But if a guy is faced with HO or die, I don't begrudge him the shot.

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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2003, 08:50:14 PM »
from what i've seen  the 50cals have the best advantage in a HO if they fire early enough like at 1.5-2.0k depending on closure rate, but once into under 1k multi cannon arms obviously rule.

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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2003, 01:21:22 AM »
I don't hate the HO.  If someone is in your sites, he is fair game and so take the shot...no matter the aspect ratio.  I never take them though, I'm a poor aim and fly the 50-calibre aircraft and it takes too many hits to do any real damage meanwhile I'm most likely headed towards a cannon-equipped opponent.  I avoid them.  But more power to you.

If you really hate HO's, fly some game with early F-4 Phantoms.  No guns and you HAVE to get on someone's tail to fire the Sidewinder.  Now that's dogfighting.  None of this sissy HO guns WW2 "dogfighting."   :D
« Last Edit: May 22, 2003, 01:24:17 AM by Puke »

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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2003, 02:55:43 AM »
I welcome the HO. It gives me a stable target to shoot at.  I will go for the HO due to my ACM stinks!  Am I embarrassed by this? No.  I dont look for a fair fight, just a bad guy to shoot at.  I do not try to get into a long ACM dog fight with someone.  If I detect my opponent has superior ACM skills I get out of Dodge, fast.  

I will shoot at an enemy in the sight ring regardless of aspect.  I maneuver my plane's nose toward an enemy to shoot him.  If it happens to be an HO, so be it.  

If I die in a HO contest, then I die.  It is no different form dying in any other type of melee.  I send a "Nice Shot!" in the text and take off again.