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Offline Suave

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« Reply #15 on: May 22, 2003, 12:13:53 PM »
You can tell what side of the bell curve a person is on by what he calls it .
"niki"
Lmao .

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« Reply #16 on: May 22, 2003, 12:33:44 PM »
"A poor pilot in a n1k is the equivalent of a competent pilot in any other plane"

Somehow I don't see this statement as supporting your views.

I would have thought you might have said ...

A poor pilot in a n1k is the equivalent of a crappy pilot in any other plane.

or

A good pilot in a n1k is the equivalent of a poor pilot in any other plane.
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« Reply #17 on: May 22, 2003, 12:34:17 PM »
slapshot, on a 1-1 a novice pilot in a n1k that at least knows how to use the views will give a good pilot in *any other plane* a hard time if both start co-e, co-alt.

and by hard time I mean it will take much more effort from your part to shoot him down compared to what it would take to shoot the novice down if he was in a zero/spit/etcetc.

Bring anyone from MSCFS1 or WW2OL to AH and they will be completely lost and utterly incapable of shooting a C47 down ; but put them in a n1k, who'se FM they are used to and the gonzofirepower they are used to.. and voila! 2-4 kills easy.

Edit: you replied as I replied ;)

What I mean is a poor skill pilot in a n1k is the equivalent of a competent skill pilot in any other plane. I dont mean "someone who drives the n1k poorly" (can such a thing be possible I wonder?!).

To give you a mental picture, 2 kids with bycicles, both bikes go at the same speed... but one of them has training wheels the othe one doesnt. The contest is to see which one can go the fastest before losing balance and falling over. Guess which of the 2 kids will fall over first?
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« Reply #18 on: May 22, 2003, 12:50:18 PM »
if you see a hoarde of niki's up a Hurri IIC... :D
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« Reply #19 on: May 22, 2003, 12:51:03 PM »
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Bring anyone from MSCFS1 or WW2OL to AH and they will be completely lost and utterly incapable of shooting a C47 down ; but put them in a n1k, who'se FM they are used to and the gonzofirepower they are used to.. and voila! 2-4 kills easy.


excuse me? i came from CFS1 and i manage just fine!
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« Reply #20 on: May 22, 2003, 01:20:20 PM »
so you were able to get 3-4 kills in a plane other than a n1k in the 1st day you came here from MCSFS1?

Oh, and I up a spit1 when i see n1k horde. Nothing like humiliating those $#@$ with 303 goodness. You can actually see them panic after the first 10 bursts of 303 you put into them, they try all this crazy cheese and auger. :D :D :D

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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2003, 01:46:50 PM »
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Originally posted by OIO
slapshot, on a 1-1 a novice pilot in a n1k that at least knows how to use the views will give a good pilot in *any other plane* a hard time if both start co-e, co-alt.

and by hard time I mean it will take much more effort from your part to shoot him down compared to what it would take to shoot the novice down if he was in a zero/spit/etcetc.


I totally disagree.  As a complete and total newbie way back when (back before they even "corrected" the N1K), I considered N1Ks comparable to a Spit IX if not marginally worse.  Of the two, I preferred facing a N1K.   And I hardly believe that a novice in a N1K gives a truly good pilot any more trouble than any other plane.  If you're clueless, you're clueless no matter what you fly.  Thankfully, the N1K is slow enough that it's easy to make the clueless pay for their mistakes.

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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2003, 03:00:10 PM »
n1k is not slow. Oh wait, unless you compare it to the La7 or P51 yes it is. but for the vast majority of the MA planeset, its just as fast if not faster.

The n1k is a spitIX without the stall behaviour under 100mph (even with 2000HP engine), 4 cannons with twice the ammo and that retains almost full roll/elevator control at high speeds (whereas spits really lock up).

And of the 2 I prefer to face a spitIX. Got half the amount of guns being sprayed at me, got the ability to dive away from it (once 350mph achieved in dive, you can safely roll your plane (if your plane has good high speed control) and dive "in another direction", which the spit cannot follow.

Last night a n1k I DOVE ON from 5k alt adv, my 38 being 380mph when the n1k jinked and evaded; the n1k dove after me and stayed well inside d1.0 spraying cannon. It wasnt until my 38 was 460 mph that the n1k lost ground, but the unavoidable 20mm spray plinked 1 engine and pilot out of the fight. And I was lucky, usually such plinks rip out wings and tails. And it is precisely that kind of point-shoot flying that tinkerbell plane allows that makes it THE ride of choice of novice pilots. Because it gets kills without much knowledge of the game or ACM in general.

Refer to my previous bycicle with training wheels analogy.

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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2003, 03:30:47 PM »
Hmmmmm ... still contemplating the bicyle vs bicycle conundrum ... :D  but ...

If a 3 day newbie comes at me in an N1K ... 1 vs 1 ... I would think that he/she will lose 9 out of 10 times (with or without training wheels).
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« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2003, 04:05:31 PM »
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If a 3 day newbie comes at me in an N1K ... 1 vs 1 ... I would think that he/she will lose 9 out of 10 times (with or without training wheels).


While it should be 99 times out of 100. BTW, nikis and spits are just the same.

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« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2003, 04:13:39 PM »
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Originally posted by OIO
To give you a mental picture, 2 kids with bycicles, both bikes go at the same speed... but one of them has training wheels the othe one doesnt. The contest is to see which one can go the fastest before losing balance and falling over. Guess which of the 2 kids will fall over first? [/B]



That would be the guy with the training wheel!!

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« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2003, 04:16:55 PM »
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While it should be 99 times out of 100. BTW, nikis and spits are just the same.


I don't know about you, but I would be bored after the 10th fight.  :D
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« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2003, 09:35:40 PM »
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Last night a n1k I DOVE ON from 5k alt adv, my 38 being 380mph when the n1k jinked and evaded; the n1k dove after me and stayed well inside d1.0 spraying cannon. It wasnt until my 38 was 460 mph that the n1k lost ground, but the unavoidable 20mm spray plinked 1 engine and pilot out of the fight. And I was lucky, usually such plinks rip out wings and tails. And it is precisely that kind of point-shoot flying that tinkerbell plane allows that makes it THE ride of choice of novice pilots. Because it gets kills without much knowledge of the game or ACM in general.


And so here we have again the inevitable personal anecdote as proof positive of the failings of the plane rather than the failings of the pilot.

If you dove with 5k alt on a N1K and died, you seriously misjudged his E state and your abilities.  Why didn't you zoom climb, one of the 38's best attributes?  At 460mph, why didn't you roll and create some horizontal seperation between you and him at high speed?  I'm baffled that you would use such an embarrassing encounter as your proof of the N1K's uberness.

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« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2003, 09:52:56 PM »
Damn...I have never seen more blatant exaggerration in my life before reading this thread.  Some of you really need to get laid or something.

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« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2003, 10:39:00 PM »
I know I do.

Ah ... mawwiage.