new definition of lame

[Regurge]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
And who are you to tell those who enjoy taking the central Trinity bases that they can't do that if that's how they enjoy playing the game?

Aces High is all about manipulating how others play the game.  Unless, of course, you're against people killing fighter hangars, vehicle hangars, fuel, ammo, troops, ack, etc.

-- Todd/Leviathn

True, but along those lines we should remove killshooter. After all, some people would enjoy teamkilling and you have the option to defend yourself.

Besides, you can pretty much always fly from a field that still has fuel and FHs up. The exception is when a reset is imminent, which typically lasts only a few hours at most. Once the tank town bases are taken they tend to stay that way for days, and the type of play that occurs there is rarely available anywhere else.

Of course none of this changes the fact that tank town is capturable, and people will do it regardless of how lame their reasons are. If you see your side attempting to capture it you can tell the other side about it, or switch sides and stop them yourself. If they're already captured, switch sides and attack the country that owns them.

[Arlo]

Yobbldee bobbldee .... BOBBLDEE, I tell ya! Chugga chugga boo boo! BOO BOO! Skrimscram jillygrap! And then some!

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by Regurge
True, but along those lines we should remove killshooter. After all, some people would enjoy teamkilling and you have the option to defend yourself.

[/b]

I don't see how you arrive at removing killshooter as the logical conclusion to what I've stated.  We all manipulate how other players play, on other teams and on our own, by our actions in the game.  These actions result from conscious design decisions that funnel behavior accordingly.  Enabling killshooter is just one of many design choices.  If it were removed, there would be new ways to manipulate how others play, but my point wasn't that we need new ways to control how others play -- merely that methods for controlling how others play already exist given the current game structure.

Besides, you can pretty much always fly from a field that still has fuel and FHs up. The exception is when a reset is imminent, which typically lasts only a few hours at most. Once the tank town bases are taken they tend to stay that way for days, and the type of play that occurs there is rarely available anywhere else.

[/B]

What if you want to fly from a field close to a fight?  What if you don't feel like spending 30 minutes to fly 1.5 sectors to the closest base?  Killing fuel forces players to weigh the costs in wasted time with doing other things such as logging or grabbing a ground vehicle or even running resupply missions.  These are things they would not have done otherwise had the opposing team not severely damaged the closest base.

Of course none of this changes the fact that tank town is capturable, and people will do it regardless of how lame their reasons are. If you see your side attempting to capture it you can tell the other side about it, or switch sides and stop them yourself. If they're already captured, switch sides and attack the country that owns them.

If they remain capturable -- that is, the rules allow for players to capture them and thus manipulate how others play -- then you have to expect that it's going to happen.  Maybe it's lame, but it's legitimate.  Either get HTC to change the rules or cease whining about it.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[bj229r]

I Liked Whel's idea about a ring of death acks comparable to cv quality around the ring of crater--keep the fediddlein planes out..let the tanks duke it out. It's not like the furballers parTICipate in the overall country operations anyhow...no reason tankers ought be held to higher standard...and it still doesnt mess with reset ability

[Rutilant]

Originally posted by DoctorYO
Corporate lifestyle,  what the hell is that, your telling me your proud of working for someone else....

Keep thinking that way... thats good..  oh btw how big is you cubicle...

as far is rap, what you have something against rap music...(the rap today blows imo)  how did you interpret rap... becuase DoctorYo, as in YO MTV raps with ed lover etc..  

Slang, yes...

Rap, no....

Let me explain how pompous Corporate lifestyle is..  Corporate lifestyle is feeble attempt to identify yourself as some sort of class or caste system...   its a illusion...
its wannabee elite's claim to fame..

" Jim were going to the beach later, want to come?   Naw im corporate I got a rep to uphold...."

If you said Im too loaded with so much freaking  money comming out of my ears that I will not concern myself with primitive slang babble then you might get some respect but to choose the cop out "im corporate... "


My definition of corporate is :

fake friends, just all around fake...

backstabbing

lies

boot licking..

maybe a hottie or too lurking around with a whole bunch of un hip hipster beasts grazing also...

usually good pay benefits but considering if you working for yourself salary is usually the same considering the equity you put back into your company... thats my opinion you can fail too... and thats not too good...

Dont get me wrong if your at the highest levels of corporate you may be rewarded, or just steal peoples pensions when they arn't looking and then declare bankruptcy.....

define corporate lifestyle this is getting good...





enjoy...



DoctorYO

DoctorYO, Get a job, regardless of how much selling drugs gets you or how 'hip' it is.

'I'm from da street!'

One hell of a diluted idiot that thinks it's a bad thing to have a succesfull job.. or just a jealous one who can't get his own.



Edit: No, I don't have one either.. wanna come over to my box for a beer?

[T0J0]

Beers on me today!! My office is above the "Olde Salty dog bar"
 be there at 5:01 PM est..
0J0T

[Regurge]

Originally posted by Dead Man Flying


I don't see how you arrive at removing killshooter as the logical conclusion to what I've stated.  We all manipulate how other players play, on other teams and on our own, by our actions in the game.  These actions result from conscious design decisions that funnel behavior accordingly.  Enabling killshooter is just one of many design choices.  If it were removed, there would be new ways to manipulate how others play, but my point wasn't that we need new ways to control how others play -- merely that methods for controlling how others play already exist given the current game structure.

What i meant to say was that just because the game allows you to do something doesnt mean its good for gameplay, even if the other side can retaliate. HTC evidently thought carbombing and off-map bombers were bad for gameplay and took steps to prevent it. Likewise, I think capturing tank town for the sole purpose of denying its use to your own side is bad for gameplay.


What if you want to fly from a field close to a fight?  What if you don't feel like spending 30 minutes to fly 1.5 sectors to the closest base?  Killing fuel forces players to weigh the costs in wasted time with doing other things such as logging or grabbing a ground vehicle or even running resupply missions.  These are things they would not have done otherwise had the opposing team not severely damaged the closest base.
Ok that was a weak point on my part. If all frontline bases are porked ytou only have a less enjoyable type of flying available. Same as tank town captured=less enjoyable gv combat available.


If they remain capturable -- that is, the rules allow for players to capture them and thus manipulate how others play -- then you have to expect that it's going to happen.

Thats what I said.

Maybe it's lame, but it's legitimate.  Either get HTC to change the rules or cease whining about it.
I've never whined about it.


-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]

[lazs2]

rshubert... I think you missed DMF's point... one  that is painfully obvious... You are a pompous hypocrite.  

If you are a libertarian you are a strange one.   Or at least a selective one.   Yu are libertarian so far as your rights are concerned but you wish to restrict others.   That is half ok... libertarians restrict rights... they don't believe that you can buy property next to someones house and set up a pig slaughterhouse for instance.

your "fun" is killing the fun of others... that is fine so long as everyone agrees on the rules... the "rules" being that everyone has an equal chance at it.   Most of us work under the premise that what we do to ruin others fun requires a lot of effort and the other person has an equal or, allmost equal, chance of turning things around... ruining our fun..  

you OTOH, believe that gameplay libertarianism means that you can destroy the fun of many with very little, if any, talent or skill involved.  You also believe that when you want to do something that you enjoy... that people shouldn't exercise their gameplay rights of destroying your playground.

The fact that you can pork fields so easily is, i believe, a mistake..  I believe that it will be fixed to some extent... we are all merely offering suggestions.  Again... when you offer suggestions then you are exercising your libertarian rights but when we offer suggestions we are trying to code you out of the game.

get some skill and you won't have to rely on gameing the game to get your attention fix.   Talk to a proffessional about your self esteem problem and you won't need to do foolish things to get attention.

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

[bockko]

drYo is funny, imagine working for somebody else for a living! Why no self respecting sentient being works for anyone else. Well, maybe for a customer, but then that isn't working for someone else now, is it? just because if you don't please your customer your customer bags out on you is no big deal. Now, if you are independently wealthy (won the lotter? inheritance? brilliant invention? Brilliant/lucky investment?) you don't have to work for anybody. Look at Michael Jackson! I think he err she err it is the poster child for the independent lifestyle. In the mean time I will continue to work for my fortune 500 company that pays very good wages and has great medical benefits for my family (much better than my military "retired benefit" medical care) and have no pride in myself.

dr. yo quite correctly illustrates some of the seedier behavior perpetrated by some corporations yet he is quite silent on the criminal behavior perpetrated by many self employed workers, like investment "advisors" who run off to cheesy foreign countries with their customers life savings or them 'thar independent auto shop thieves who prey on the unsuspecting. Yep criminal behavior isn't a corporate problem, its a HUMAN problem.  Subjectively bashing one group sounds like the work of a modern day University Professor.

corporate worker out...oh, buy stock in my company, I need to sell some options at a higher price

[Shiva]

Originally posted by lazs2
libertarians restrict rights... they don't believe that you can buy property next to someones house and set up a pig slaughterhouse for instance.

That's not true. You can buy the plot of land next to my home and build a pig slaughterhouse, and I don't have anything to complain about or expect restitution for -- as long as  your slaughterhouse keeps the noise and smell from the pigs, the noise and smell from the trucks heading to and from the slaughterhouse, and the noise and smell of the slaughterhouse itself  from extending onto my property. If you can't do that, then you are damaging the value of my property, which is an offense against my rights in my property.

If you're going to ridicule someone on the basis of a political philosophy, you should at least make the effort to learn what that philosophy is before you go off and ridicule them on the basis of what you think it is.

[Rutilant]

read again.. try and get the example.. and stop pulling things from what he said that arent there..

[lazs2]

shiva... yes you are correct... but hubert want's to move next door and allow all the smell and flies and traffic on my property.
lazs

[rshubert]

Originally posted by lazs2
rshubert... I think you missed DMF's point... one  that is painfully obvious... You are a pompous hypocrite.  

If you are a libertarian you are a strange one.   lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

Less, less, less...

This anger must carry over from the other thread, my boy.  I may be pompous, but I am not a hypocrite.  Again, maybe you should look in the mirror.  

I got DMF's point, I just disagree with it.  He prefers to think that my exercise of my rights (which does, indeed affect his gameplay, I never said it didn't) is not allowable, because his exercise of his own rights supercedes that.  I say (again and again) that we should both do whatever we want, and devil take the hindmost.  That is consistent with a libertarian philosophy, and appears to be the way the game was designed.

Don't worry, sonny.  I will adapt my gameplay to account for your involvement.  I haven't figured out all the angles, yet, but I will.  That's a big part of the fun--outsmarting the other guy.  The reason I play AH is the human factor--a real person in the other plane, gv, or whatever adds a level of unpredictability to the game that no AI can match.  

Go on, enjoy your arcade-game thumb candy view of AH.  I will play the strat game, to win.  You need to get over this whole attitude of contempt for those that disagree with you.  It's rubbing off on me, and I don't like to be that way.

[rshubert]

Less, please come to the convention, and have the stones to identify yourself to me.  I want to meet you, and sit down and talk to you about respect.  Don't take that as a threat, I am non-violent.  Take it as curiosity.  I want to know what form of life you are in reality.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by rshubert
I got DMF's point, I just disagree with it.  He prefers to think that my exercise of my rights (which does, indeed affect his gameplay, I never said it didn't) is not allowable, because his exercise of his own rights supercedes that.  I say (again and again) that we should both do whatever we want, and devil take the hindmost.  That is consistent with a libertarian philosophy, and appears to be the way the game was designed.

[/B]

That wasn't my point.  Go back and read what I wrote, and show me exactly where I claim that my "rights" in the game supercede your own.

-- Todd/Leviathn