new definition of lame

[Toad]

Met Laz at the last con. #1 top-quality person, IMO.

If you get to meet him, I expect you'll think about the same.

[lazs2]

hubert... I got no problem meeting anyone.  I believe that we would indeed have a good conversation on respect.   Perhaps you will learn something about respect and honesty.  I have no problem pointing out to you here or in person, that your idea of libertarianism is flawed.  

I don't think I will make this con but I made the last one... Hoolign told a bunch of guys who dislike my (cough) "style" here when I would arrive in the lobby from the airport... It was great.   I had some really great conversations at the con.  I didn't fight anyone.... allthough... I am far from nonviolent.. just a crippled up harmless old man.  Oddly... no one took advantage of my obvious unimpossing physical stature even tho it was obvious by my face that I had lost a lot of fights in the past.  

I never say anything on this board that I will not say to the person in the flesh.   In fact... I may even say worse things to you when we meet.    
lazs

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by Toad
Met Laz at the last con. #1 top-quality person, IMO.

If you get to meet him, I expect you'll think about the same.

I didn't get to meet Lazs....but I did meet Toad. Seems like good folks (of course we won't talk about the company he keeps ).

[rshubert]

"Good Folks" don't disrespect other people the way Less does.  It would take a LOT to change the opinion I have gained of him through his snide, belittling commentary on this message board.  Insults only bring insults, and boy oh boy, did he ever start the ball rolling.  I would like to have an intelligent discussion of the issues, but he and his ilk hijack the discussion as a way to put other people down, and (I suppose) make them feel better about themselves.  It's pathetic, really.  If he is such a "nice guy" in person that makes me even less likely to get along with him.  I detest people that are two-faced or cowardly, and that behavior fits my definition of both.

 Let's review a bit:

I think his opinion of how the game should be played is wrong, and presented arguments to try to prove my point.  He insulted me.  That started a nasty exchange on the other thread, and he carried it over to this one, to show how clever or manly he is.  

Less, I do hope we meet.  Are you a libertarian?  Have you ever read Ayn Rand?  We could talk philosophy, if you're up to it.  I promise to use short words and keep the concepts simple.

Remember Less, words mean stuff.  Use them carefully.

[Arlo]

As long as ya'll don't start freedom kissing when it's time to make up.

Yeah.

Hey ...

[rshubert]

DMF wrote...

"You missed my point. The entire purpose of AH is to manipulate the way others play the game. Most would enjoy flying around, killing everything with impunity, and then returning to base unmolested. Your purpose is to prevent that by either shooting them down, vulching them, porking their fuel to dissuade them from upping, or killing their fighter hangars so they can't spawn even if they want. In short, you're manipulating their game environment. The very act of attacking a base manipulates the way in which those at the base may respond regardless of what they prefer to do otherwise. "

DMF, I don't think you get my point.  I, for one, don't think anybody would enjoy an AH that was a shooting gallery.  I wouldn't.  

I play the strat game.  That game involves capturing fields.  The tactics you describe are EXACTLY correct.  They are described in the online help files.  They are the way the game is played, if the object of the player is to "win the map".

You can do whatever you want.  I really don't care.  If you shoot me down, I will learn something from it (or not) and move on.  I will not complain to you about it, or to anyone else.  Part of the game is that there are three sides.  The other sides obviously wants to win, too.  Your definition of a "win" is to get a skin kill on another plane.  My definition of a win is to get a mission accomplished and survive it if possible.  Your definition of a lose is limited to getting shot down.  Mine is either being on the wrong end of a skin kill, or a mission kill (that's where I salvo my ordnance to engage in ACM--my mission can't be completed, therefore I already lose).

You furball guys all think the object of the game is to shoot down planes.  I--and others that agree with me--think the object of the game is to win maps, and shoot down planes on the way.  I frankly can't understand why you think it is such a burden to need to fly 15 minutes to the fight.  Do you have RATO pods on that spit?  If not, you need to gain alt, don't you?  I get killed a LOT upping for field defense, then getting shot down by the attackers--they have mucho E, and I have none.  Maybe you know something I don't.  Would you care to share that knowledge?  I am always looking for an edge.

[Dead Man Flying]

Originally posted by rshubert
You furball guys all think the object of the game is to shoot down planes.

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And here you go again.  Relax for a minute, reread what I wrote, and quit trying to see things in it that don't exist.  I believe I stated that one of the main objects of AH is to manipulate how others play the game through a variety of means and methods.  How you get from that some treatise on furballing over strat escapes me.

Maybe you know something I don't.  Would you care to share that knowledge?  I am always looking for an edge.

Flying to a target and grabbing alt are boring activities.  Brainless.  Wastes of time.  Many players log or find something else to do rather than fly from rear bases for that very reason.  Those who can withstand the tedium fly from those bases.  And so the game goes.

-- Todd/Leviathn

[devil22]

ok folks, i am about to make a shameless plug. here i go. I am part of a fan club put out by White-Wolf called the Camarilla. In this fan club, we participate in Live Action Role Playing Games. One of these games is Vampire the Masquerade. In this game there are vampire clans. There is a clan called Ventrue and there is a clan called Brujah. From what I have read in this thread up to this point makes me think that if the whole lot of yall played, you would fall into either clan. But it is in my oppinion (and that of my character if he were a real person, and by the way he is a Brujah) that a few of you just scream Ventrue, and those people are (again this is just my 2 cent opinion, do with and think of this as you will) Bock, Tojo, RSHubert. again this is just my 2 cent opinion. I will gladly fight any and all on the ocean, ground or Sky. Bring it on. besides, every one seems to be makin good points and counter points. but in the ever immortal words of a friend of mine, shut the hell up, take off the gloves, and get into the ring and the last man standing is right.

good hunting and good day all

devil22

[lazs2]

hubert hissed... ""Good Folks" don't disrespect other people the way Less does. It would take a LOT to change the opinion I have gained of him through his snide, belittling commentary on this message board"  

don't worry about it hubert.. you are probly wound too tight for me to bother with.

hubert then goes on about how cowardly I am for calling people names (me?  naaa... may have pointed out a character flaw or two tho) on a BB..  This is all too funny... phony libertarianism and hypocracy..  

really man... I wasn't calling you names.   I have no problem discussing any of this with you in person.   I don't know what "dissrespect" means the when used as you did..  do you mean "disrepectful of you"?   I am neither respectful nor disrespectful of you.   I have never met you.   I have no respect for your ability tho nor, do I have any respect for your arguement here.   I will reserve further judgement on you until we meet... I would suggest that you relax and do the same.
lazs

[rshubert]

You can't cloak your contempt in fake facts, less. You insulted me in writing.  You meant to do so.  Everybody read it, and understood it for what it was intended to say.

Am I wound "too tight"?  Gee, I dunno, I think maybe the guy who rails against the other player's abilities is "wound too tight". Get a grip, man.  Control that anger inside you.  It will eat you alive if you're not careful.  Already it's causing you to say things you (should) regret.

[nopoop]

Shubert this has been a good read on a couple of threads for the last 4 days. And all this reading and writing, attacks and counterattacks is all predicated on this statement.

I AM A SUICIDE DWEEB. I have been in the game for about 8 months, and I have died thousands of times

Reading through all of your posts you obviously are not.

You have taken a position "as" a suicide dweeb when in all reality your learning the game, doin your best and dieing along the way.

No one including our Public Relations Officer has a problem with that.

Ever see a CV suicide raid ?? 6 to 8 Tiffies coming in high and ALL of them diving into the CV ? Happens quite a bit though not as often as six months ago. At one time I saw it everytime I logged on. Ever see a suicide base raid ?? Usually 5 or 6 fully loaded 51's each augering into different targets ?? A daily occurence. I see from the threads a new and exciting suicide variation is doing it with Lancs..

You have 30 or 40 guys engaged in nice little fight off a CV and a group of dweebs sink the CV in effect ruining a good little thing in a small corner of our little world.

You've essentially put yourself in a place that you don't belong. It's a problem that many are concerned about including HiTech.

Take a read on this thread from December of last year ( a couple of months before you started visiting the boards..)
http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71494

You definatly came in on the wrong side of an ongoing arguement.

A better statement would have been, I'm a fuggin new guy and I die alot.

Just as I'm an old guy and I suck..

[rshubert]

You're ALMOST there.  The point is that many (most?  all??) of those called by our boy Apacheand others "suicide dweebs" probably are beginners, trying to figure out how to survive among the wolves, and become wolves themselves.  I took my position to try to show him/them that.  What is the average time online for the game?  Which end of the spectrum is the "suicide dweeb" on?

The poor newbie comes into the game, wanting to learn how to play, then gets hammered by the old timers.  To add insult to injury, then the cherry-picking specialist makes snide comments on channel 1.  I have seen very little desire on the part of long-time players to help the new guys--I'm not talking about the refusal to answer questions like "how do I put the gear down" or "what are the red dots on the radar for", those people should rightly be referred to the help files and training arena.  I am talking about the fact that so few are willing to mentor the new players.  It interferes with their thumb candy experience.  

My squaddies are exceptional in this area, and willing to help anybody out that asks.  But some of you guys won't even give a situation report back when passing on the way to/from an enemy field.  It's beneath you.

The above is not a whine.  I am secure in my self image, and that kind of crap doesn't bug me.  It does bother other people, and probably has an effect on the retention numbers for 2-weekers.

There is a dangerous elitism among some of the old timers in this game.  The disrespect for "dweebs" is hurting the game, which is, after all, designed as MULTIPLAYER game.

[devil22]

I have to say that RShubert has made an awesome point. I have been flying since 12-02 in this game. I only got a little help from a player who ahd to quite the game due to a real world situation in his life. I was baptised by fire in this game. I admit that I am not the best fighter pilot in the game. I envy those who are ranked in the top 900. I even fear them. Just last night as a matter of fact, I was trying to encite a little friendly competition between me and another country fighter named elk, who when i last looked was ranked 91 or something like that. when he came back over the radio he was anything but polite. he said something to the effect " lololololol if that gets you wet, then go for it sonny". this in short hurt. I was blown away that I out flew some one who was that good, and who was escorting a buff, that i managed to take down, could be such an (HTC Staff please forgive this, but neat little symbols just wont work here) bellybutton hole, when i tried to rib him about it. i will through insults with the best of them, but if you cant show respect for those of us who are not near as elite as you top 900-100 guys then yall need to recheck your definition of respect. I at last check was ranked 2264, I out flew a top 100 pilot, and when I tried to rib him and try to get a bit of friendly competition, he became condiscending (sp?) so please folks, try to help those who ask for help. I started the game as a rook tried to seek some help so i could learn, when i got none, i went on to become a knight, same story there, then i became a bishop, and finally got some help there. I still am trying to learn the game, and when someone comes and shoots me down, it hurts the pride a bit, but i learn from it. but if you are all: ha ha ha ha what kinda flyin was that? did you learn to fly from a blind man? that hurts more than hey, good flyin gave me a run for my money even if it isnt sincere, it helps with the 2 weeker retention.

[DoctorYO]

Just for those wondering, corporate types   I used 2 CHUM bags on this post.

Finger licking good...Hope you enjoyed....


Gofaster / Tojo way to be good sports, (im serious no sarcasism Gofaster that post was good)

 To the R(imput whatever) multiples pipe down...  You allow harmless text get the better of you..  "Oh no you have insulted my screename in writing" "now i want closure etc...." Any more chivary and we might cast you for the {Princess Bride} sequel....

Grow a thicker shell...

I got a good laugh from the drugdealer Micheal jackson post whatever dribble that was...  (i post i dont like corporate workplace and then I am branded jobless, insurance wanting, and best of all drugdealer.... lets not forget success chastising also....)

Free entertainment...  HTC BB never lets you down...


enjoy and big fat soupy bowl of BB CHUM.....


have a nice day...




DoctorYO

[rshubert]

DrYo, what language was that post of yours written in?  Please don't say "English".  That would hurt my feelings.