Author Topic: So, which part of the Iraq war was bad again? (Read 2339 times)

NUKE · « **on:** May 22, 2003, 09:01:22 PM »

http://apnews.excite.com/article/20030523/D7R6N4PG1.html

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Putting aside bitter divisions over the Iraqi war, the U.N. Security Council gave the United States and Britain a mandate Thursday to govern Iraq and use its oil riches to rebuild the country. The resolution opened the door to a quick resumption of oil exports.

The 14-0 vote was a victory for the Bush administration, which won the backing of the chief opponents to the Iraq war - France, Russia and Germany - even though those nations felt the United Nations wound up with too little say in shaping Iraq's future.

Syria, the sole Arab country on the council, was absent during the vote. Syria's deputy U.N. ambassador Fayssal Mekdad told the council later Thursday that his government would have voted for the resolution if the vote had been delayed for a few hours as he requested. He said he wanted the record to reflect that the vote would have been unanimous.

The resolution immediately ends economic sanctions imposed on Iraq after its 1990 invasion of Kuwait, opening the country to international trade and investment.

So, those that opposed the war..... what part of the war don't you like? If the only argument against it was that you feel you don't like the stated reasons for the war, then you really have little or nothing to argue about.

Iraq is now free of UN santions, Saddam is gone, Iraqis are free and the UN security counsel unanimously endorsed US and UK rule in Iraq, as well as the end of sanctions.

How many more worms are left that will still argue that the war and it's outcome was a bad thing?

Oh, by the way, Russia, Germany and even France are back-peddling and hoping to mend ties with the US.

Erlkonig · « **Reply #1 on:** May 22, 2003, 10:17:46 PM »

We have not found any WMD. If they do exist, we don't know who, if anyone, has them in possession. If there aren't any, we were either lied to by the Bush administration, or our intelligence services failed mightily. But hey! No biggie! USA is number 1, baby!!!!!!

U-S-A!

U-S-A!

U-S-A!

NUKE · « **Reply #2 on:** May 22, 2003, 10:20:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Erlkonig
We have not found any WMD. If they do exist, we don't know who, if anyone, has them in possession. If there aren't any, we were either lied to by the Bush administration, or our intelligence services failed mightily. But hey! No biggie! USA is number 1, baby!!!!!!

U-S-A!

U-S-A!

U-S-A!

so what part of the war was bad? That we didn't find WMD yet or the fact that Iraqis are free, UN lifted sanctions and Saddamn is gone?

You can't argue that the war had a negative outcome, can you? And since you can't argue that the outcome was negative, you can only sight the "reasons" for the war ( and possitive outcome) as your source of misery.

You people are sad, yet funny

Manedew · « **Reply #3 on:** May 23, 2003, 12:46:40 AM »

the part of the war that's bad is that we attacked a Sovereign nation for OIL ..... not for our own safety, HA!... for OIL .... as long as your fine with that ... All of the war is bad .. do you know half the crap 'we' did in the name of WMD .. err i mean Iraq freedom .. err i mean OIL... proably not .. US media doesn't report the hospitals we bombed .. instead they talk about rescued women soldiger's.. great happy propganda drama

The problem is it's dough and your eating it ..

"You people are sad yet funny."

Funny, we (anti-war) think the same thing about you.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #4 on:** May 23, 2003, 12:56:59 AM »

Yes Manedew it was about oil - US soldiers are returning home with buckets of the stuff...

Since you anti war types are so fond of asking "where" let me ask you where is the stolen oil, how much have we stolen allready?

Yes the USA deliberatly bombs hospitals, just like.... Cmon you know you wanna say it......

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #5 on:** May 23, 2003, 01:26:55 AM »

Yea techincally that piece of trash Weimar thing was a democracy. But what kind of democracy was it when allowed political parties to control the streets with their own pirivate armies, and it wasnt just the nazis. What I'm saying is it depends on the type of democracy and how strong the rule of law is. I'll tell you something, the same protestors in the international community who opposed the war are now the ones demanding the USA leave right now. And interestingly enough the hard right islamists in Iraq want the same thing - for the USA to leave so they can impose their version of "democracy" by way of a weak and impotent democracy as would likely develop if the USA was not there. Basically both groups want the USA to fail in setting up a real strong democracy; the Iran style islamist fanatics so they can get power, and the anti-USA anti-war crowd so they can gloat, complain, and blame the USA about the subsequent disaster.

Manedew · « **Reply #6 on:** May 23, 2003, 01:34:09 AM »

"Yes Manedew it was about oil - US soldiers are returning home with buckets of the stuff...

Since you anti war types are so fond of asking "where" let me ask you where is the stolen oil, how much have we stolen allready?

Yes the USA deliberatly bombs hospitals, just like.... Cmon you know you wanna say it...... "

Wow you so full of BS Bush should hire your ass. Did I say we seeked out hospitals.. no, that we bombed them .. which is a fact.

"Stolein" Oil is being shiped out of Iraq as we speak, lol... UN sanctions have been lifted.

Guess you don't seem to understand 'we' (aint-war) are aginsts this, reguardless of how good 'we' (USA) are at kicking ass. Iraq in noway threatend the USA .. in fact several US Sentors feel this war has signifcantly hurt the war on terrorism. By diverting funds and resources. (NYC still has not gotten money promised for terrorism protection!)

In otherwords one big crock of BS... I don't like to eat it .. it tastes like cheese.

This about OIL and the Neo-Conservitive plan for the middle-east.
Sorry, but your just wrong if you think otherwise ...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #7 on:** May 23, 2003, 01:47:59 AM »

Yep I must agree this whole war was just a scheme to steal oil...

And so what if the US government has an agenda in the mideast? Do you propose we just ignore the region.

Maybe you think if we crouch in the corner of the world, cover our eyes and ears, bury our head between our knees and be really, really quiet all these people who are trying to kill us stuff will go away by itself....

SirLoin · « **Reply #8 on:** May 23, 2003, 01:57:52 AM »

Haliburton Oil Inc.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #9 on:** May 23, 2003, 02:01:13 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
All democratic governments can do what they want as long as the people agree. If elections are held in Iraq today the Shiite's will win outright, and as long as the (misled) people of Iraq (who has no experience with freedom or democracy) agree, the Shiite leaders can change the constitution and laws just like Hitler did. It's a massive "catch 22": Leave now = Shiite Theocracy. Establish a democracy and leave = Shiite Democratic Theocracy. Stay and govern Iraq until they are ready for democracy = Occupying force, increasing hatered, more terrorism, and in the end when you leave it prolly will still become a Shiite Theocracy. Install a new dictator that can control Iraq's Shiites like Saddam did (before turning agains the west) = Total loss of credibility, and public outcry in the western world.

Every human being faces situations that are bad, but will only get worse if you do something. It is very difficult to accept that you can do nothing, but somethimes that IS the only thing you can do without making it worse. IMHO this war was such a situation. Oh well ... too late now.

Typical european handwringing do nothing appeasement rubbish! Peace in our times!!!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #10 on:** May 23, 2003, 02:06:53 AM »

Glad you liked that.

But seriously I think the US presence can be a positive force in setting up a stable democratic future for iraq, naturally people can differ in their opinion of this.

mjolnir · « **Reply #11 on:** May 23, 2003, 03:13:22 AM »

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Iraq in noway threatend the USA

Blitz? Is that you?

Maniac · « **Reply #12 on:** May 23, 2003, 03:53:38 AM »

Yes it was the reason stated for the war that upset most of the anti-war crowd (disarm Iraq from WMD´s), always been that reason and always will be that reason....

Regards.

Dowding · « **Reply #13 on:** May 23, 2003, 03:54:07 AM »

Lol! Sirloin - you avatar is a picture of that fella who was prosecuted for shagging a goat in front of a crowded (and shocked) commuter train, over here!

Classic.

Steve · « **Reply #14 on:** May 23, 2003, 03:59:50 AM »

Manedew, please post your records showing stolen oil is being shipped out of Iraq as we speak. you typed it so authoritatively that I'm confident you must have significant data to back your statement. I'm sure you know that if you were to type something like that without hard data that you'd just be a loud mouthed, blow hard, liar. So I know you wouldn't deliberately paint yourself as such... so post your hard evidence please.