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IJN Allowed Multiple Fighter Lives in Frame 4?
« on: May 25, 2003, 04:49:36 PM »
Just want to know whether the rules for frame 4 allowed IJN to get multiple lives in fighters, because some players certainly thought so...

The reason I ask is because the 412th were bounced during our attack run on the IJN cv in the North by zekes spawning and taking off from the cv over an hour into the frame.  Frankly, that sucks, especially as we only have one TBM life...

Note that the logs show that the several IJN squads not only spawned in fighters after losing bombers, but several spawned multiple fighters.

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FBKimber  

 
22:21:56 ------ Departs From Field #41 in a B5N2
 
22:22:57 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #41
 
22:23:12 ------ Departs From Field #41 in a A6M5b
 
22:41:55 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:44:50 ------ Departs From Field #41 in a A6M5b

 
22:45:13 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #41
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 0; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 1.
 
FBluu  

 
22:21:53 ------ Departs From Field #41 in a B5N2
 
22:22:38 ------ Tragically Crashed.
 
22:23:05 ------ Departs From Field #41 in a A6M5b
 
22:49:23 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 0; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 1.
 
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Bubbaj6  

 
22:22:34 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a D3A1
 
22:24:07 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:24:17 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b

 
22:24:34 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #43
 
22:24:37 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b
 
22:42:40 ------ Was Shot Down By sling.
 
22:42:52 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b

 
23:10:25 ------ Was Shot Down By Wail.
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 0; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 3.
 
DaFin  

 
22:21:33 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b
 
22:47:02 ------ Shot Down A F6F-5 Piloted By Innomin8.
 
23:12:12 ------ Was Shot Down By skatsr. (Crashed)
 
23:12:17 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b

 
23:13:31 ------ Shot Down A TBM-3 Piloted By Reb28.
 
23:14:25 ------ Helps Jambu Shoot Down BLUEmako.
 
23:34:30 ------ Bravely Bailed From Damaged Plane.
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 2; Assists 1; Objects 0; Deaths 1.
 
Empire2  

 
22:23:59 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a B5N2
 
22:24:44 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a B5N2
 
22:27:01 ------ Tragically Crashed.
 
22:27:44 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b

 
22:49:47 ------ Shot Down A F6F-5 Piloted By osage.
 
22:50:25 ------ Bravely Bailed From Damaged Plane.
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 1; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 0.
 
MuckMAW  

 
22:21:27 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b
 
22:22:23 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #43
 
22:22:26 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b
 
22:22:35 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #43
 
22:22:42 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b
 
22:55:03 ------ Shot Down A SBD-5 Piloted By Monzuma.
 
23:08:08 ------ Tragically Crashed.
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 1; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 0.
 
PropMAW  

 
22:21:35 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b
 
22:43:23 ------ Was Shot Down By osage. (Crashed)
 
22:43:34 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b

 
22:43:55 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 0; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 2.
 
RkMAW  

 
22:22:17 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b
 
23:12:18 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
23:16:07 ------ Departs From Field #58 in a N1K2-J

 
23:16:30 ------ Skillfully Ditched.
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 0; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 1.
 
T2MAW  

 
22:21:12 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a B5N2
 
23:19:25 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #49
 
23:20:05 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b

 
23:59:06 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #43
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 0; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 0.
 
UGMAW  

 
22:22:12 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a B5N2
 
23:09:29 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #43
 
23:11:45 ------ Departs From Field #43 in a A6M5b

 
23:13:37 ------ Shot Down A TBM-3 Piloted By rexnord.
 
23:13:56 ------ Shot Down A TBM-3 Piloted By Midnight.
 
23:16:21 ------ Bravely Bailed From Damaged Plane.
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 2; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 0.

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handy  

 
22:21:19 ------ Departs From Field #7 in a D3A1
 
22:42:49 ------ Shot Down A FM2 Piloted By Stink1.
 
22:49:02 ------ Was Shot Down By APDrone.
 
22:53:28 ------ Departs From Field #9 in a A6M5b
 
23:32:27 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #9
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 1; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 1.
 
Hedgehog  

 
22:21:20 ------ Departs From Field #7 in a D3A1
 
22:41:03 ------ Helps kbman Shoot Down AMBLAST.
 
22:42:21 ------ Shot Down A FM2 Piloted By PIRATES.
 
22:43:21 ------ Helps tarl Shoot Down guedoe.
 
22:50:10 ------ Captured By Enemy Forces.
 
22:53:32 ------ Departs From Field #9 in a A6M5b
 
23:32:49 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #9
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 1; Assists 2; Objects 0; Deaths 0.
 
kbman  

 
22:21:21 ------ Departs From Field #7 in a D3A1
 
22:22:30 ------ Departs From Field #7 in a D3A1
 
22:41:03 ------ Shot Down A FM2 Piloted By AMBLAST.
 
22:43:06 ------ Was Shot Down By guedoe.
 
22:53:36 ------ Departs From Field #9 in a A6M5b
 
23:32:29 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #9
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 1; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 1.
 
Seagoon  

 
22:21:22 ------ Departs From Field #7 in a D3A1
 
22:43:21 ------ Helps tarl Shoot Down guedoe.
 
22:47:46 ------ Was Shot Down By Tweak. (Crashed)
 
22:47:54 ------ Departs From Field #7 in a Gunner-Observer
 
22:50:42 ------ Tragically Crashed.
 
22:58:06 ------ Departs From Field #9 in a A6M5b
 
23:33:33 ------ Skillfully Ditched.
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 0; Assists 1; Objects 0; Deaths 1.
 
tarl  

 
22:21:29 ------ Departs From Field #7 in a D3A1
 
22:42:49 ------ Helps handy Shoot Down Stink1.
 
22:43:21 ------ Shot Down A FM2 Piloted By guedoe.
 
22:47:54 ------ Joined By Seagoon As A Gunner/Observer.
 
22:48:17 ------ Shot Down A FM2 Piloted By Airrdkl.
 
22:49:18 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:53:29 ------ Departs From Field #9 in a A6M5b
 
23:33:34 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #9
 

And this is just a classic log:

arhh  

 
22:47:39 ------ Departs From Field #36 in a Gunner-Observer
 
22:48:31 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #1
 
22:49:37 ------ Departs From Field #9 in a A6M5b
 
22:54:39 ------ Departs From Field #9 in a A6M5b
 
22:58:08 ------ Departs From Field #9 in a A6M5b
 
23:06:47 ------ Destroyed Gun emplacement At Field #09.
 
23:08:09 ------ Was Shot Down By NHFoxtro.
 
23:11:57 ------ Departs From Field #6 in a Gunner-Observer
 
23:12:31 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #9
 
23:12:51 ------ Departs From Field #9 in a Ki-61-I-KAIc
 
23:22:13 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #9
 
23:22:16 ------ Departs From Field #9 in a Ki-61-I-KAIc
 
23:27:14 ------ Departs From Field #9 in a Ki-61-I-KAIc
 
23:27:48 ------ Departs From Field #9 in a A6M5b
 
23:30:52 ------ Departs From Field #9 in a A6M5b
 
23:42:09 ------ Departs From Field #60 in a N1K2-J
 
23:42:29 ------ Departs From Field #60 in a N1K2-J
 
23:43:26 ------ Departs From Field #60 in a N1K2-J

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IJN Allowed Multiple Fighter Lives in Frame 4?
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2003, 11:46:32 PM »
The event write up is posted here.
http://events.simladder.com/tod_tours.php?tour_id=33

It states that the Kates and Val's had 2 lives for all frames. Their second life could be in any AC.

Those who used more than two were:

1 - Miss informed.
2 – Uninformed (which is the responsibility of the C.O. of those pilots)
3 - Cheating.
4 - Did not care. (gate crasher most often)

Most often the case is 1 or 2.

I never will have a problem giving Kate pilots a second life.
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« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2003, 03:49:25 PM »
Daddog hit things on the head here. It was decided to give D3A1s and B5Ns two lives during this event. That meant that yes, the fields would be opened for the IJN side for a second period to allow for the Val and Kate pilots to up in a second life after the T+30 mark.

Both teams had problems with people upping again when they should not (i.e. a quick example):

FRAME 1:

MADGOAT
22:15:27 ------ Departs From Field #41 in a B5N2
22:15:46 ------ Tragically Crashed. (allowed up to T+30)
22:16:20 ------ Departs From Field #41 in a B5N2
22:43:07 ------ Was Shot Down By Puke. (1st life gone)
22:43:12 ------ Departs From Field #41 in a B5N2
22:44:43 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy. (2nd life gone)
22:46:16 ------ Departs From Field #41 in a Gunner-Observer
23:23:12 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #1
23:26:05 ------ Departs From Field #7 in a Ki-67


tatertot
22:15:23 ------ Departs From Field #41 in a B5N2
22:43:18 ------ Was Shot Down By cup. (1st life gone)
22:43:39 ------ Departs From Field #41 in a B5N2
22:44:41 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy. (2nd life gone)
22:45:58 ------ Departs From Field #41 in a Gunner-Observer
23:23:58 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #1
23:25:33 ------ Departs From Field #7 in a Ki-67
23:38:39 ------ Destroyed Ship At Field #27.
23:43:39 ------ Helps Midnight Shoot Down Vulcan.
23:59:55 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #7


So this did happen with both teams when they flew the IJN side. Going through the examples you sited there were 3 violations. Another 2 that augered as soon as it was reiterated to the IJN side that only D3A1s and B5Ns got two lives and one had to be in those planes. 8 Non-violations and 1 bozo who snuck in and gunned down IJN AA.

As Daddog says this happens to all sides to some extent because of communications errors or pilots not asking before they do something. For instance in frame 4 the question was brought up to sling if SBDs and TBMs got second lives because unlike the orders for frame 1,2 & 3 frame 4 did not specifically say that they could not. In this instance the fields were closed and the question asked. However, if the fields were open you could hazard that a few people might have taken off.

The whole two life things for unpopular rides does lend itself to abuse and as I said it happened to some extent on both sides when they flew IJN.

However, I would not say that either side cheated on purpose as a whole or that the few who did fly and did violate the rules unbalanced a frame massively. It is unfortunate and those squads will be contacted about better relaying rules to their troops.

Speficically for frame 4.

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VIOLATIONS
  • You are correct on FBKimber and Freebirds will be contacted.
  • You are correct on Bubbaj6. He crashed after  reup period and came up in Zeke, 2nd life and then died and then took 3rd life in zeke. He should have reupped after crash in a D3A1.
  • You are correct on Dafin and Marine Air Wing will be contacted.
VIOLATIONS BUT AUGERED WITH 30 SECONDS
  • You are correct in regards to PropMaw and Marine Air Wing will be contacted. However, sling caught this and with 30 seconds had him auger.
  • You are correct in regards to RkMaw and Marine Air Wing will be contacted. However, sling caught this and with 30 seconds had him auger.
NON-VIOLATIONS
  • You are incorrect on Empire2. He upped in a B5N2 and crashed losing 1 life. He used his second life to up in A6M5 (the plane he chose). He did not violate rules.
  • You are incorrect in regards to T2Maw. He upped 1 life in a B5N2 and second life in A6M5 as allowed.
  • You are incorrect in regards to UgMaw. He upped 1 life in a B5N2 and second life in A6M5 as allowed.
  • You are incorrect in regards to handy. He upped 1 life in a D3A1 and second life in A6M5 as allowed.
  • You are incorrect in regards to Hedgehog. He upped 1 life in a D3A1 and second life in A6M5 as allowed.
  • You are incorrect in regards to kbman. He upped 1 life in a D3A1 and second life in A6M5 as allowed.
  • You are incorrect in regards to Seagoon. He upped 1 life in a D3A1 and second life in A6M5 as allowed.
  • You are incorrect in regards to tarl. He upped 1 life in a D3A1 and second life in A6M5 as allowed.
NON-SQUAD PARTICIPANT SNUCK IN
  • You are very correct in regards to Arrh. He was not with any squad and not only was not caught by sling or myself but also gunned down an AA at a friendly IJN field. So in actuality he helped the USN more than he helped the IJN this frame. He got shot down by the USN .. 1 kill credit and then he gunned down an IJN AA. Fortunately he did not shoot down any USN.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2003, 03:53:21 PM by ghostdancer »
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« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2003, 08:08:31 PM »
Don't get me wrong guys, I wasn't trying to jump on any one individual or squad, I was just confused as to the nature of the reups allowed.  More specifically I was trying to point out that it seems silly that IJN torpedo/dive bomber crews get a second life in fighters but USN torpedo/dive bomber crews get only one life full stop.

Why the disparity?  TBMs are just as vunerable to fighters as the IJN craft, we got slaughtered during our attack run but didn't get the option to reup.  Also, if reups are given in the same aircraft, that makes sense.  It would effectively double the bomber force effectiveness but letting them roll fighters after dieing in a bomber gave the situation we experienced: the efforts of the friendly fighters in the early part of the frame was effectively for nothing, the bombers they were clearing a path for all get knocked down by a fresh wave of fighters that magically appear from the ruins of the bombers they kill.  To me that kind of spoils the historical flavour of the event.

Anyway, that's just me.

guys, I had fun anyway.

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« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2003, 08:09:40 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by ghostdancer
NON-SQUAD PARTICIPANT SNUCK IN
  • You are very correct in regards to Arrh. He was not with any squad and not only was not caught by sling or myself but also gunned down an AA at a friendly IJN field. So in actuality he helped the USN more than he helped the IJN this frame. He got shot down by the USN .. 1 kill credit and then he gunned down an IJN AA. Fortunately he did not shoot down any USN.


I just thought his log was funny.  ;)

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« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2003, 08:20:59 PM »
Didn't think you were BlueMako. Logs even though accurate can be confusing until put in context of special rules.

On why Kates and Vals got second life and not SBDs and TBMs I will let Daddog explain. It was his decision to do that way in this Squad Ops.
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« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2003, 10:51:26 PM »
Hi Blue!

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Why the disparity? TBMs are just as vunerable to fighters as the IJN craft
Don't agree by a long shot. TBM's are a LOT tougher than Kates and are much more able to defend themselves.  

Take some average pilots...4 TBM's and a single A6M5. He might get two, but I bet he will go down with them. Then take 4 Kates vs an F6F.  He will kill them all and still fly home IMHO. Kate does not even have a front gun and if they are high you can go under them without a worry.

The whole idea of events is to strike a balance so it is fun for all participants. Typically blue the IJN sides have 10% to 15% less participants as is.  What would it be if you had a couple squads that had to fly Kates without a 2nd life? Even worse IMHO.

My squad has been slaughtered a couple of times in TBM’s so I understand. I am sure others have too, but that can’t take away from the near complete vulnerability of the Kate. The only plane that has less of a punch is the C-47.  :rolleyes:

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« Reply #7 on: May 28, 2003, 12:24:21 PM »
Sorry guys Bubba and dafin are new to Squad ops. I thought I was clear in my instructions. I guess not. The others how ever know better and are going to stand the court for thier actions.
 
   My apologizes to thoes effected. This is not normal for the Marine Air Wing. I pride myself on running a clean show.

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« Reply #8 on: May 28, 2003, 12:29:10 PM »
iceMAW since you are the C.O. of the Squad Ops MAW the buck stops with you. Therefore I have decided to hold you accountable for the action of your pilots. After discussing with Flossy and Daddog we have decided on a suitable punishment for you.

1st Frame next Friday Squad Ops you have to fly with the FBDs. We can think of nothing more suitable in way of punishing you. ;)

Oh, and we expect you to frag yourself at least 12 times during the event, and to litter the landscape with empty beer and booze bottles. Not to mention you better start practicing leering at sheep in the sanctioned FDB way.
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« Reply #9 on: May 28, 2003, 12:32:30 PM »
Aww cant you just shoot me instead. Ill never get the FDB smell off me.
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« Reply #10 on: May 28, 2003, 12:38:57 PM »
LOL!  :D
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« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2003, 02:08:28 PM »
ROFL!

ice... your a solid sport! Thanks for making it clear to your guys.
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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2003, 12:19:57 PM »
Hey Ghost Dancer,

I want to clarify one thing.  In your example above, the pilots you showed reupping more than once, augered and reupped on their CO's orders since they had taken off in the wrong second aircraft.  Both Tatertot and Madgoat reupped in B5N's and were told to auger and join the rest of the squad for their second life in Ki-67's.  This was in Frame 1 or 2, and I remember making the decision since I did not think that there was any effect on the frame since they did not engage anyone before augering.  I hope this explains at least these two instances.  

By the way, I agree with Daddog, I would much rather fly even the SBD than the Kate.  The IJN side needed as much help to stand up to the F6F's & F4U's that they were facing.  Frame 1, our Kate squad was completely wiped out by 2 F6F's, same for Frame 2.  We did do dammage both times on the second life in Ki-67's though, so I felt it evened out.  Frames 3 & 4, (USN side) we accomplished both missions in F6F's (Frame 3) and SBD's (Frame4) with only one life.  I felt it was evenly matched in all frames, I am not sure how the IJN feel from Frames 3 & 4 though, their numbers were a little low I think.  Thanks Daddog for a good time.

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« Reply #13 on: May 29, 2003, 12:49:41 PM »
TracerX thanks for the explanation. Just goes to show that without some context that the logs can read one way until you fill in the back story. In your case .. while strict rules interpetation says no once you up in a second aircraft that is it .. in reality we have to use common sense and be flexible to an extent. And I would have told you to do the same thing during the actual frame when your guys upped in the wrong bomber aircraft .. auger and up in the other type.
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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2003, 07:06:09 PM »
I've learned to distrust the logs as they don't accurately reflect discos and such. But for my money the most interesting logs where on the USN side. For instance, I'm assuming that the following are all caused by discos:

xc4wolfx  

 
22:25:03 ------ Departs From Field #19 in a SBD-5
 
22:25:15 ------ Skillfully Ditched.
 
22:25:39 ------ Departs From Field #19 in a SBD-5
 
22:27:46 ------ Skillfully Ditched.
 
22:27:56 ------ Departs From Field #27 in a SBD-5
 
22:28:12 ------ Arrived Safely At Field #27
 
22:28:22 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a SBD-5
 
22:28:49 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:28:53 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a SBD-5
 
22:29:29 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:29:34 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a SBD-5
 
22:30:07 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:30:09 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a SBD-5
 
22:34:21 ------ Tragically Crashed.
 
22:34:54 ------ Departs From Field #35 in a SBD-5
 
22:35:19 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:35:21 ------ Departs From Field #35 in a SBD-5
 
22:35:57 ------ Skillfully Ditched.
 
22:36:00 ------ Departs From Field #35 in a SBD-5
 
23:22:03 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 0; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 5. (!)

dragkill  

 
22:22:30 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
22:23:01 ------ Skillfully Ditched.
 
22:23:04 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
22:23:26 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:23:28 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
22:24:55 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:24:57 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
22:26:32 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:26:36 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
22:32:51 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:40:53 ------ Departs From Field #55 in a F6F-5
 
22:41:00 ------ Skillfully Ditched.
 
22:41:03 ------ Departs From Field #55 in a F6F-5
 
22:41:09 ------ Skillfully Ditched.
 
22:41:16 ------ Departs From Field #29 in a F6F-5
 
22:41:31 ------ Skillfully Ditched.
 
22:41:35 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
23:09:04 ------ Vanished Without Trace. (Discod)
 
23:12:11 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
23:12:38 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
23:12:40 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
23:13:02 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
23:13:10 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
23:13:42 ------ Skillfully Ditched.
 
23:13:45 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
23:26:30 ------ Vanished Without Trace. (Discod)
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 0; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 6. (!)

mrmcgoo  

 
22:22:27 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
22:22:54 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:23:02 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
22:23:26 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:23:30 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
22:24:02 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:24:05 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
22:24:28 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:24:32 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
22:24:56 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:25:02 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a F6F-5
 
23:08:11 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 0; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 6. (!)

oleSpike  

 
22:24:59 ------ Departs From Field #35 in a F4U-1D
 
22:25:38 ------ Skillfully Ditched.
 
22:25:52 ------ Departs From Field #35 in a F4U-1D
 
22:26:14 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:26:25 ------ Departs From Field #35 in a F4U-1D
 
22:26:47 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:26:54 ------ Departs From Field #35 in a F4U-1D
 
22:27:16 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:27:20 ------ Departs From Field #35 in a F4U-1D
 
22:27:42 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:28:21 ------ Departs From Field #35 in a F4U-1D
 
22:28:42 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:28:50 ------ Departs From Field #35 in a F4U-1D
 
23:15:47 ------ Shot Down A B5N2 Piloted By Batch.
 
23:17:54 ------ Tragically Crashed.
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 1; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 5. (!)

This one however makes me wonder....

dodododo  

 
22:26:00 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a SBD-5
 
22:50:59 ------ Was Shot Down By iceMAW.
 
22:51:29 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a SBD-5
 
22:51:55 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:52:00 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a SBD-5
 
22:52:25 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
22:52:30 ------ Departs From Field #25 in a SBD-5
 
23:03:34 ------ Was Shot Down By Unknown Enemy.
 
Pilot Totals: Kills 0; Assists 0; Objects 0; Deaths 4.
SEAGOON aka Pastor Andy Webb
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion... Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams