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Offline Am0n

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« on: October 11, 2001, 09:12:00 AM »
Last night when i got home from a long borring day of staring at servers all for 8 hours i thought i would sit down and play some AH.

Open up AH and select OK to connect, after 2 minutes of staring at the frozen cursor on "ok" the program crashes to the desktop and explorer is totaly frozen.

im thinking "ok, i dont mind to much to pay to beta test the new version of AH, kinda used to it crashing" as it boots up and locks up on scan disk.

After waiting for a 5-10 minutes and being at 16% the entire time i restart, same thing.

The 3rd time i get an error that my registry is not valid and i need to run regwiz from the command prompt, Ok good idea.

When attempting to correct the reg error it locks up on "backing up system files" for a good hour or 2, in the time i washed dishes ate dinner and watched some of full metal jacket. Came back, same way i left it.

I run the hard drive utilities that came for all western digital drives and it tells me that the drive has bad sectors that cannot be repaired. The hd utility can read the data and also recognizes it as a valid FAT.

when using a boot up disk im told its not a valid FAT or partiton on drive C.

At this point im just going to fdisk and start from scrath, hopefully repair the bad sectors or at least mark them as non use.

No deal, apon format it freezes for a good half hour and comes back with a error i cannot remeber, none the less the hard drive is not writeable.

3 weeks ago i lost the other hard drive that "was" on the RAID with this one im writing about. That is 2 30gig ata 100 hard drives, dead.

So, i open up another PC on my LAN and pull a very small spare drive out of it that i use for back up (1.6 gig ata 33) and put that in my main system.

When i boot the other PC up thats on the LAN that i got the hard drive out of, the hard drive in that one ticks like a clock and does not get recoginized buy the BIOS and i am presented with the ever so forgiving error "non system disk".

So here i am with 2 pcs open cased one to my front, one to my right, 2 key boards in the same corisponding areas, trouble shooting 2 pcs. After 7 hours i give up. No back ups, all data lost.

When the RAID died i lost 40 gigs of share files and a 30 gig hard drive. 3 weeks later the other hard drive croaks, then another in the same night.

death toll:
1 x 30gig western digital ATA 100 7200 RPM
1 x 30gig western digital ATA 100 7200 RPM
1 x 13gig western digital ATA 66 5400 RPM

All in all i am corn holed, im still waiting to here back from western digital about the first hard drive, no response in any form.

so now im down to one 1.6 gig (ata 33)hard drive, this is discusting me to no end. Ive lost so much unreplaceable data i could screem, and if i dont get a response back soon i am going to, in some over paid tech support managers ear.

I do 3d rendering, level design and a lot of sound effect work, i had back ups of all the data in 2 (2 pcs) locations which are now gone.

This comes as a surprise to me, all 5 of my drives are western digital. Now all i have to show for it is a 1.6 gig and a 540 meg drive. The company i would boast about in hard ware discussion has turn me over and corn holed me worse than i have ever been and are not conpencating me in any way, only time can tell now.

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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2001, 12:00:00 PM »
Amon,

Did you check to see if those drives worked in your back up PC??? It might be a MB problem instead of a HD problem. Is there a chance your bios got trashed?

I'd try using the drives in a pc that was working instead of the one that gives you the errors. It might not be a problem with your HD's at all.

Good Luck

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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2001, 12:26:00 PM »
ick.. ouch...

I've been using WD drives for a long time, with lots of luck, tho i will rethink that now...


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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2001, 01:43:00 PM »
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When i boot the other PC up thats on the LAN that i got the hard drive out of, the hard drive in that one ticks like a clock and does not get recoginized buy the BIOS and i am presented with the ever so forgiving error "non system disk".

I feel for you dude, I too have witnessed "the ticking drive" , Hardware failures suck and this is why I don't use WesternDigital drives anymore.....come to think of it....IDE/ATA sucks all together, besides, SCSI is more efficient and more reliable...so I now practice what I preach "SCSI all the way." Yeah, it's a bit more costly but I've yet to have any failures and if I did I'm not really worried as my system is RAID1. (not an intentional gloat)
I hope your stuff gets squared away soon bud.

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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2001, 01:46:00 PM »
I got a new Winchester and I'm heading to Columbus Ohio!

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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2001, 02:20:00 PM »
Maverick

I tried the drives on the mass storage controller (RAID) and also in the normal IDE controller, both same effect. In the same IDE controler i have the ever so slow 1.6 gig hard drive working properly.

Although i havent tried them in the other PC due to what i said above id think they would have the same results.
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Wouldnt be to much more expensive considering for the 2 drives that died i had at least 300$ rapped up in to them. Ive been thinking SCSI my self, id just hate to waste that on board RAID controller. Unless it will also double as a SCSI controller, that i dont know.
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The 13 gig drive has had a history of doing the "clicking". This is the 4th time that drive has done that. I bought retail and i found a "refurbished" sticker on it days later while iwas examining it, the place i bought it from was a smaller PC shop and they gave me all kinds of crap when i tried to return it. Hopefully i can get that squared away.  

With all this friggin technicly advanced proformance driven hard ware, the hard drive i had with my old P133mhz comes to the rescue, to bad they dont make um like they used to.

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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2001, 05:05:00 PM »
Learn this word: Maxtor

I worked for a systems integrator for a couple years, and I saw more broken Western Digital drives than all other brands combined.  I don't know where they got a good reputation, because in my experience, they have never deserved it.

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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2001, 05:18:00 PM »
Raid level 5 is the way to go.
Redundant backups also.

I'm sure you've done all this but I can't stress it's importance enough.
I'm the IT manager for the Town I live in and deal with that problem quite often.

And btw.. I have had BAD luck with WD drives.
some run forever.. some don't.
My experience with failed WD drives is not good.  Unrecoverable.

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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2001, 08:16:00 AM »
Wlfgng

 Im a security server admin for United Technoligies Corp (pratt&whitney, sikorsky air craft, ext..). I work with secure servers for remote access, im pretty fromilular with back ups and such.

 I take the same precautions at home as i do at work (minus the external back ups) I had data backed up for both PCs on the other, which is great until the both die in ya!
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 This is the first problem ive ever had with WD hard drives but like the old saying goes "when it rains, it poors" would deffinately apply here.

 I got to looking at the original packages that the hard drives came in and i noticed something that really disturbed me. Where it list the hard ware info about the drive it says that they are ata66. On a "sticker" on the front of the box it says "Tested at ata100" or something to that effect.

 So basicly they were designed for 66mb/sec transfers and some pencil pusher decided that they would be fine for higher speeds, which they were for a few months but since they croaked so close together im willing to testify that they are not stable at that speed in any way.

Both drives report that there are damaged sectors which buy all means could be due to strenuous activities, such as running faster than they were intended. If thats the case im sure im not the only one with this problem, im sure im not othe only one with these drives.

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« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2001, 08:31:00 AM »
Running the drives on an ATA100 bus won't change the speed the physical drive operates at.  The thing still spins the same RPM, heads move the same speed, etc.  I can't imagine that would cause the problem, though I suppose it's possible.

After many years experience in the computer industry, I only use Quantum drives.  They had one bad model... I think it was 1.2 Gig Fireballs... but other than that I've had great luck with them.  SCSI is a nice idea, but too much extra $ for my budget, nevermind the extra resources the SCSI card sucks up.

Am0n, something else has to be going on here.  This is just too weird to be a coincedence.  I had something like this happen to a friend of mine... he had 4 machines that he left running all the time, and in one week 3 of 4 lost drives.  Turns out they had a minor tremor that week that caused head-platter contact resulting in various levels of damage.  Another time I had one lady that killed 3 drives in a row (I was doing RMA for a clone builder).  Turns out her machine sat on the floor, and her idiot kids were jumping up and down bouncing the box around while it was running and killing drives.  It could also be a virus issue, but that is less likely.  Your situation sounds like physical damage, like what happens when a drive is bumped while running.  Could be a tremor, heavy base from a stereo turned too loud, or even dropping something heavy on the floor.  Anything that jarred the machines while the drives were spinning.