Author Topic: 109g10?? (Read 1701 times)

Scot · « **Reply #15 on:** May 28, 2003, 12:59:17 PM »

The AH G10 is a nice ride. I would like to see in AH2 an early (AH's present version) G6, a late Model G6 (ASM) and maybe trade in the G10 for the K4.

beet1e · « **Reply #16 on:** May 28, 2003, 02:07:47 PM »

Schad - glad you've found a plane you really like.

I've struggled with 109s, right back into WB days. The G10/G6/G2 in AH are probably very good planes. I wish I could make them work for me, but after years of honing up a technique based on speed/B&Z, the 109 offers a lot of advantages that I don't know how to use, but is lacking in three key areas (for me). Those are: Unresponsive elevator, lacklustre roll rate, and having to get to less than 200 yards for a shot plus the fact that deflection shots don't work too well - kind of moot given that you have to get to 200 yards. I think of all the 109G models, I like the G2 best overall. But I suck in all of them! Be sure to watch Grunherz's 13 kill sortie film.

The antithesis of the 109Gx is something like the F4U - excellent roll rate, crisp elevator response and excellent gun platform for deflection shots. Oh well, you can't be good at everything.

Batz · « **Reply #17 on:** May 28, 2003, 02:36:01 PM »

Scot never trade in a 109 for another.

Keep our g10.

we need

109e7
109f2
109g6/asm
109g14
109k4

The 109g6 is the funnest to fly in AH. After that the g2, then then the f4. The g10 is the easiest to survive in.

Batz · « **Reply #18 on:** May 28, 2003, 02:52:47 PM »

All 109s are best flown as Energy fighters - using its high climb rate to dictate the engagement. Normal Boom & Zoom tactics with very high speed passes do not suit the 109's style. The controls get stiff above 640kmh. It is better suited to the style of energy combat where the main objective is to set up a moderate altitude advantage right over or near the target. Then use short sprint dives with moderate closure rates for gun passes. The 109 can then climb back out and loop or climb away as necessary.

In a high speed dive in if the bad guy spots you even the slightest evasive is enough to cause you to miss him. Even with trim the pull out takes a long time. By then the bad guy could just run or by the time you recover his friends have arrived.

As for turn fighting that all depends on the plane you are facing. I wouldnt turn fight with a spit but a typh you can easily get angles on.

When I flew Ah I would turn fight all the time in a g6. Using rudder you can scissor with any plane except an a5.

Gondolas are just added weight. All you need is 3cm of rheinmetal.

Puke · « **Reply #19 on:** May 28, 2003, 03:50:32 PM »

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How come all one see's are Spit, Spit, Spit, La7, Spit, Spit, P51, La7, Spit, Spit, Spit......

LOL. So true...so very true. Ugh.

hazed- · « **Reply #20 on:** May 28, 2003, 04:17:03 PM »

Ive just read a book called 'The Last year of the Luftwaffe: may 1944 to may 1945' by Alfred price (ISBN 0905-778-74-X)
In it he mentions the supply situation for the fighters and it seems there was actually a great many aircraft in storage, so many in fact that one pilot remarks that when they damaged an aircraft they simply went and took a complete aircraft rather than repair the damaged one.This was mainly due to the fact that so few aircraft could fly due to fuel shortages that the Germans had more aircraft than they could use.
Our G10 seems to be a late one used just before and uring the introduction of the 109K. It does have 'similar' performance but it still falls short of the 109K-4 in terms of speed and manouverability. They introduced quite a few changes like the galland hood and special more aero dynamic skin(flush riveting or something) also paddle attachments to ailerons to help the roll.It all added up to a few mph's increase in speed and a better roll at high speeds.

The g10 is a great aircraft in AH and it should be noted its not a bad furballer either if you use it well.

Glasses · « **Reply #21 on:** May 28, 2003, 09:29:21 PM »

The G10 in AH can make many things if you handle it right. Accelration climb and 30mm goodness. Though I don't see how much would a K-4 improve upon the G10,we'll just have to see.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #22 on:** May 28, 2003, 10:20:02 PM »

Yep no gondolas, never - they are absolutely terrible for a G10 or G6. I did take them sometimes on the F4 or G2. But never never on G6/10.

Batz is righ the 109 is best to use with moderate alt advantage like 1.5-2k yards max so when you dive your great acell only gets you to around 350mph or so (really go for under 400mph) and so you will still have really nice control to aim the 30mm.

The 13mm guns are really nice and can give yu kills if you can get a tracking shot.

Here's my 13 kill sortie in the G10 with 30mm. I only filmed it after the fourth kill or so and so it doesnt show two really good kills I made in full vertical dives against hard manuvering targets - the key was to cut throttle and not overspeed.

G10 - 13 kill sortie

AGJV44_Rot 1 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 28, 2003, 11:10:30 PM »

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Originally posted by hazed-
Ive just read a book called 'The Last year of the Luftwaffe: may 1944 to may 1945' by Alfred price (ISBN 0905-778-74-X)
In it he mentions the supply situation for the fighters and it seems there was actually a great many aircraft in storage, so many in fact that one pilot remarks that when they damaged an aircraft they simply went and took a complete aircraft rather than repair the damaged one.This was mainly due to the fact that so few aircraft could fly due to fuel shortages that the Germans had more aircraft than they could use.
Our G10 seems to be a late one used just before and uring the introduction of the 109K. It does have 'similar' performance but it still falls short of the 109K-4 in terms of speed and manouverability. They introduced quite a few changes like the galland hood and special more aero dynamic skin(flush riveting or something) also paddle attachments to ailerons to help the roll.It all added up to a few mph's increase in speed and a better roll at high speeds.

The g10 is a great aircraft in AH and it should be noted its not a bad furballer either if you use it well.

Hazed from the book of Greenhearts first in combat with the Dora9 this is not true. They didn't have enough planes and had more pilots then planes available at the time in late 44 early 45. Gas was critical and training flights were very limited. Maybe so for other units but for JG54 and parts of JG26 this was not the case.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #24 on:** May 29, 2003, 01:58:16 AM »

I donno about what range I open at its more about feel and look of the target compared to my plane - how I feel it would "catch" a 30mm. But generally speaking under 300 yards - when I flew more often and was really good with the 30mm I could hit aimed 2-3 round burst 600 yard high deflection shots. Oh the days..

beet1e · « **Reply #25 on:** May 29, 2003, 02:27:44 AM »

Viper has some good 109 films in here: http://www.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=869834

Scot · « **Reply #26 on:** May 29, 2003, 08:22:57 AM »

Batz, I stand corrected

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Man, do miss those G6 sorties with JG2.
(wipes tear from underneath his monicle )

It's refreshing to actually see a thread on the 109 stay civil for more than 3 posting.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #27 on:** May 29, 2003, 08:27:47 AM »

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Originally posted by Scot
Batz, I stand corrected !

Man, do miss those G6 sorties with JG2.
(wipes tear from underneath his monicle )

It's refreshing to actually see a thread on the 109 stay civil for more than 3 posting.

One tries to add a little decorum to what otherwise would be merely a vulgar brawl...

Batz · « **Reply #28 on:** May 29, 2003, 09:04:10 AM »

Scot I few in the CT yesterday (1st sorties in months) and went up against 3 spit 14s in a g10. I killed 2 but thought damn if my wingman was here we'd have cleaned house

It wasnt to bad I rtbd and was bounced by a pair of jugs doing their best to bore me to death. After about 10 min one screwed up and I slipped to his 6. He tried a tracking shot and followed my through my break. After a few reverses (I lost a step in my scissor) he popped right out in front. He could of extended but he panicked and must have pulled his stick through his belly. He flopped abit and lost his e advantage. 2 3cm hits to his leftwing sent into the channel and his buddy ran home. I landed with 20% fuel and 47 30mm left.

Sorry arsed Saw caught my 190a5 after I fought 2 other spit 14s and killed umm. Damn opportunist.

Kweassa · « **Reply #29 on:** May 29, 2003, 06:34:26 PM »

I always knew that Saw's a sneaky person