Let's talk about sex....(long post)

[milnko]

Well, I don't know much about that.
So instead let's talk about different armanent packages for the Fw 190.
Hey Pyro! how about a few optional loadout for the WURGER  

As taken from
 http://ww2f.dogfighter.com/planes/fw190.htm

 

The standard Fw 190A was quickly modified to perform a number of roles, particularly that of fighter-bomber in the F and G versions. These deleted the outer 20mm cannon in favor of various combinations of bomb racks or cannon pods for the MK 103 30mm cannon.
Later versions of the FW 190A featured up to six 20mm cannon (FW 190A6R1); the A-6/R-6 had two 210mm (8.27 in) unguided rockets with which to attack US heavy bombers.


Fw 190A-1: BMW 801 C engine. Span: 34 ft (10.4 m). Armament: four 7.92 mm MG 17 machine-guns, two in the fuselage top
cowling and two in the wing roots and, optionally, two 20 mm MG FF/M cannon in the wings outboard of the main oleo leg
attachment. One 550 lb (250 kg) or 1,100 lb (500 kg) bomb could be carried under the fuselage as an alternative to a jettisonable
fuel tank.

Fw 190A-2: Wing span increased to 34 ft 6 in (10.5 m) and new landing-gear linkage. Two 20 mm MG 151/20 cannon installed in
wing roots in place of the rifle-calibre MG 17 machine-guns. Otherwise, same as for A-1.

Fw 190A-3: BMW 801 D engine. Otherwise, same as for A-2.

Fw 190A-4: As A-3 but with supplementary fuel-injection system slightly modified fin and revised radio equipment.

Fw 190A-4/U8: Fighter-bomber with racks for jettisonable tanks or bombs under wings as well as provision for bomb load under
fuselage.

Fw 190A-5: As A-4 but with redesigned engine mounting resulting in engine being moved forward 6 in.

Fw 190A-5/U3: Fighter-bomber with wing and fuselage bomb racks.

Fw 190A-6: Optional outer wing guns changed to MG 151/20. Otherwise, same as for A-5.

Fw 190A-7: Further armament change; cowling guns changed to 13 mm MG 131 machine-guns. Wing guns as for A-6.

Fw 190A-7/R2: Fitted with two 30 mm MG 108, replacing the two MG 151/20 guns in the outer wing positions.

Fw 190A-8: BMW 801 D engine. Extra 25 gallon fuselage tank. Armament: two 13 mm MG 131 in top cowling, two 20 mm MG
151/20 cannon in wing roots and, optionally, two 20 mm MG 151/20 or two 30 mm MK 108 in wings inboard of landing gear.

Fw 190A-8 D/NL: As A-8 but with BMW 801-2 with higher emergency power rating.

Fw 190A-8/R1: Four MG 151/20 cannon mounted in pairs, one pair in a gun pod under each wing in place of the single outer wing
cannon.

Fw 190A-8/R3: Two MK 103 cannon mounted one under each wing in place of the outer wing MG 151/20 cannon.

Fw 190A-8/U1: Two-seat trainer.

Fw 190A-8/R11: 'Dirty weather' fighter with special radio and automatic pilot.

Fw 190A-9: BMW 801 F engine. Armament as for A-7.

Fw 190A-9/R11: BMW 801-TS engine. 'Dirty weather' fighter with special radio and automatic pilot.

Fw 190D: The first version of the Fw 190D with a liquid-cooled engine flew in 1941 and towards the end of 1943 Allied pilots
reported combats with "long-nosed" Fw 190s. Originally a Daimler Benz DB 603 was fitted, but the D sub-types all had a Jumo
213. The first operational version was the Fw 190D-9.

Standard Fw 190A, F and G wings and tailplane were fitted but the fuselage was increased in length to 33 ft 11 in (10.4 m). The fin
was increased in width by 5 inches, resulting in a 2.5 sq ft (.23 sq m) increase in area over the "short-nosed" version.

The Fw 190D-9 was fitted with a Jumo 213A-1 liquid-cooled inverted Vee engine and with the MW 50 power boost this version had a
maximum speed of 440 mph (704 km/h) at 37,000 ft (11,290 m).

A later version, the Fw 190D-12 with the Jumo 213E engine had a maximum speed with the MW 50 boost of 453 mph (725 km/h)
at 37,000 ft (11,290 m).

In all D sub-types provision was made for the fitting of a 30 mm MK 108 cannon in the engine Vee and firing through the propeller
boss.

Ultimately, the Fw 190D was redesignated the Ta 152A.

Fw 190F: Basically identical to the Fw 190A, the F sub-types were developed mainly for ground attack and were provided with
additional armour to protect the pilot. The outer wing guns were not fitted.

Fw 190G: A further off-shoot of the Fw 190A, the G was used mainly as a fighter-bomber. It could carry a 3,960 lb (1,800 kg)
bomb, although the 1,100 lb (500 kg) or 2,200 lb (1,000 kg) was the more normal load. One sub-type of the Fw 190G had a lengthened tail-wheel to give ground clearance for carrying a torpedo.

And mainly for just the A-5, I quote from:
 http://home.iae.nl/users/wbergmns/info/fw190.htm

 

Fw 190A-5/U1 - similar (with extended engine mount) to A-4/U1 airplane, temporary
powered by a BMW 801 C-2 engine.

Fw 190A-5/U2 - long range fighter-bomber plane adapted to the night operation; it was
fitted with anti-reflective strips over engine exhaust pipes on both sides. Mounted under the fuselage, an ETC 501 bomb rack for 250 or 500 kg bombs was added, additional fuel was placed in two external tanks of 300 l capacity each mounted under the wings on
V.Mtt-Schloss (Verkleidetes Messerschmitt Schloss) shackles. In the wing leading edge an EK 16 camera and a doubled landing light were installed; the MG FF cannons were deleted in this modification. Based on this version, a night fighter with FuG 217 Neptun J-2 radar was built. However, number of planes built is unknown; the only known specimen of this variant had no bomb rack, camera or landing lights.

Fw 190A-5/U3 - fighter-bomber with the ETC 501 bomb rack and without MG FF cannons.
After a change of designation this was serially produced as Fw 190F-2. There was also a desert variant with dust filters designated as A-5/U3/tp (F-2tp).

Fw 190A-5/U4 - reconnaissance fighter fitted with two Rb 12.5/7x9 mm cameras and
reduced armament (2x1 MG 17 and 2x1 MG 151/20 E); produced also in a desert variant
designated A-5/U4/tp.

Fw 190A-5/U8 - long range fighter-bomber with two underwing mounted external fuel tanks
(capacity 2x300 liters) and an under-fuselage mounted ETC 501 bomb rack; armament
consisted of only two MG 151/20 E cannons. It was developed into Fw 190G-2 plane and
later serially produced.

Fw 190A-5/U9 - experimental plane with heavier armament, it was fitted with 2x1 MG 131 13mm machine guns in place of MG 17 guns in the fuselage; in the wings the MG FF
canons were replaced by MG 151/20 E cannons. Only two were built (W.Nr. 150812, and
150816). The W.Nr 150816, BH+CF plane was later used as test bed for more powerful
BMW 801 engine versions.

Fw 190A-5/U10 - experimental plane (only two built W.Nr. 150861 and 150862). It was
used as a test bed for a strengthened wing adapted to serial application of heavier
armament, generally 20 and 30 mm cannons. Armament consisted of 2x1 MG 17 in the
fuselage and 4x1 MG 151/20 E in the wings, later become a standard for A-6 version.

Fw 190A-5/U11- attack aircraft with two 30 mm Rheinmetall-Borsig MK 103 cannons
mounted in underwing pods; only one plane existed (W.Nr. 151303, RG+ZA). This kind of
armament became later standard as Rustsatz 3 (R3) kit.

Fw 190A-5/U12 - proposal for heavier armament consisting of six MG 151/20 E cannons.
They were mounted under the wing in two additional WB 151/20 pods with two cannons in
each pod; complete armament could be 2x1 MG 17, 2x1 MG 151/20 E and 2x2 MG 151/20 E.
It was also a model for Rustsatz 1 (R1) kit for Fw 190A; two planes (BH+CC, W.Nr. 150813
and BH+CD, W.Nr. 150814) with such armament were completed.

Fw 190A-5/U13 - three prototypes (V42, W.Nr. 151083, GC+LA; V43, W.Nr 150817, BH+CG
and V44, W.Nr. 150855) built, long range fighterbomber with two underwing V.Fw Trg.
(Verkleideter Focke-Wulf Trager) bomb racks, adapted for carriage of 300 liter capacity fuel tank or 250 kg bomb. The plane was equipped with an automated pilot device and
application of knifes for barrage balloons lines cutting on the wing leading edge was
considered; one plane was experimentally equipped with a lacunar exhaust flame damper
(GC+LA?). Armament consisted of two MG 151/20 E mounted in the wing roots. Plane was
later produced under designation Fw 190G-3.

Fw 190A-5/U14 - torpedo plane adopted for transportation of one aerial torpedo LT F 5b
mounted on the under-fuselage ETC 502 rack; plane had an enlarged fin (similar to Ta 152)
and heightened tail wheel strut to eliminate the possibility ground contact by the torpedo; armament consisted of only 2x1 MG 151/20 E cannons. Two planes were tested TD+SI, W.Nr. 150871 and TD+SJ, W.Nr. 150872.

Fw 190A-5/U15 - experimental plane adopted for transportation of the unpowered Blohm
und Voss 246 Hagelkorn (LT 950) flying bomb for destroying of naval targets, radio
controlled by an Askania company produced ALSK 121 device. Extensively tested during
second half of the 1943, later in the test program an A-8/F-8 series plane (W.Nr 130975)
was also included, but tests were cancelled shortly after it was found that because of poor construction, the BV 246 had frequent defects.

Fw 190A-5/U16 - prototype of a fighter plane with heavier armament (W.Nr. 130975), for
destruction of bomber formations. The MG FF cannons were replaced by heavier 30 mm
cannons Rheinmetall-Borsig MK 108. This armament was later standardized as the
Rustsatz 2 (R2) kit.

Fw 190A-5/U17 - fighter-bomber with under-fuselage mounted ETC 501 bomb rack and four underwing mounted ETC 50 bomb racks (2x2 50kg bombs). With A-5/U3, this variant was a
model for the Fw 190F attack aircraft; basic version for the later Fw 190F-3/R1 variant.
Armament was standard without MG FF cannons. Also used in a desert modification.

Finally, in response to the intensifying of the Allies' bombing, numerous Fw 190A-5/R6
planes belonged to units operated in Reich defence system (Reichsverteidigung) have been
found. As an interesting detail, we must mention the existence of a Fw 190A-5 plane with external turbosupercharger inlets. The engine cowling with these inlets was proposed as an alternative, but was not used widely because of higher induced aerodynamic drag.
There exists a photograph of an A-5 fighter from a II./JG 54 unit deployed to the Eastern
Front temporary adopted to bomber missions by four (2x2) under-fuselage mounted ETC 50
bomb racks. In the autumn 1943, one A-5 plane (W.Nr. 157347) were used as the V45
prototype for tests of the GM 1 system that by injection of pressurized nitrogen monoxide as an oxidant to increase engine efficiency at high altitudes. This device was later standardized as the Rustsatz 4 (R4) kit. In connection with the planned 1765 kW (2400 KM) BMW 801 F engine production to be used for A-9 and A-10 series planes, in December 1943 Focke Wulf was ordered to prepare an A-5 airframe (W.Nr. 410230) as the V34 prototype for tests with the experimental BMW 801 V 85 engine; however, we have no
evidence that the engine was supplied and mounted on that particular Fw 190 plane. Serial production of BMW 801 F engines never started and A-9 series planes had TS/TU engines mounted.

Ya Know, sumthin like this
 

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[Revvin]

How about the heavily armoured 190A8/R8 that was used for buff hunting. We already have a 190A8 with the Mk108 armament load-out but AFAIK not the heavy armour to the cowling, cannons and more importantly the pilot.

Read a fascinating chapter in a book on the 190 by Alfred Price with comments from pilots of the 190A8/R8 who lost very low numbers because of these well armoured 'cavalry horse' even when performing dead 6 and 12 attacks on large buff formations, there was a trade-off however that they were so well armoured that made them heavy and vunerable to fighter escort attack so they flew with lighter fighter A8's as escort. Perhaps as this basic plane and flight model and ballistics are already done then it would not be so much work to create this version of the A8?

[Wanker]

Dang, I thought Dr. Ruth was going to be in this thread somewhere!  

[Staga]

My guess is that Ron knows better than Ruth  

[fd ski]

looks like LW had a different designation for EVERY SINGLE 190 ever produced  

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aka. Wing Commander fd-ski
Northolt Wing
1st Polish Fighter Wing
303 (Polish) Squadron "Kosciuszko" RAF
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
315 (Polish) Squadron "City of Deblin" RAF

Turning 109s and 190s into scrap metal since 1998

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[StSanta]

Well, a 190 with three bombs would give the LW a great ground pounder. I'd rather see it in the A8 though; 1 buff and two or three A8's can completely close a (small to medium) field if given enough time to expend their ordnance.

That would really rock  



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[Chewbacca]

Revvin we have the cowling, it was standard for A-8.  We don't seem to have the pilot or wing armor however.

[Revvin]

So it was..my mistake, read the wrong caption for the diagrams in the book...DOH! We could still use the extra armour on the cannon and pilot tho, make them damn B17's a little less of a handfull  

[funked]

To help sort some of the fact from LW fiction:

The "turbosuperchargers" on the A-5 are a fairy tale.  The ram-air scoops were for real though.

The D-9 did not have provision for a motor-cannon.  Jumo 213A engine did not allow this.

The adapter to carry 4 x 50 kg bombs on the centerline was commonly used on F and G series.  It could be used on any plane with the ETC 501.

Torpedo planes were prototypes.

MK 103 gondolas never went into production.

 

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 08-04-2000).]

[funked]

P.S. Revvin if we model the armor on the cannon, we better model the tendency of the MK 108 magazine to blow the entire plane into little pieces if it takes a hit.  

[Revvin]

Which is why I want the armour   less chance of it exploding, besides any ammo box when hit has a tendancy to explode with catastrophic damage so perhaps ALL planes should be modelled as such  

[Jigster]

 

Originally posted by funked:
P.S. Revvin if we model the armor on the cannon, we better model the tendency of the MK 108 magazine to blow the entire plane into little pieces if it takes a hit.    

Ya know I was watching 12 O'clock high last night and in several shots FW's are taking hits on the wings, which then explode in a large fireball taking off the wings. I assume that was bullets hitting the MG 151/20 ammo boxs, because I don't know what else would cause the wings to explode like that.

Granted that movie is a mixed source, because some is Hollywood stuff but alot was actual gun camera reels. Normally the easiest way to tell was a Jug profile shot was shown when the Fw's fired and Spits and P-51's subbed in for some of the close up shots.

The Fw stuff was definately gun camera stuff tho. Great movie  

- Jig

[funked]

No fuel in the wings on a 190, so it must have been ammo.

Another common death for a 190 was an engine fire.  The engine had direct fuel injection which mean there was an individual fuel line to each cylinder.  If a bullet or fragment damaged one of the fuel lines, the result was a big fire.

[flakbait]

The ammo for the outer wing cannons was just outside the cannon itself. For the inner set of cannons ammo was stored in the firewall, just behind the engine. Also stored here was the ammo for the machine guns. Want proof? Here's a link for you: http://www.xs4all.nl/~rhorta/wa8.htm

Read the numbers and what they mean carefully. Also there is a cut-away for the D-9 armament, along with various types of 109 cut-aways.


Flakbait

[juzz]

Fw 190F-8 Make it so.  

Oh, and:

"The adapter to carry 4 x 50 kg bombs on the centerline was commonly used on F and G series."

Wasn't the 4x50kg adapter also available on the Me 109?

[This message has been edited by juzz (edited 08-05-2000).]