Author Topic: Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam  (Read 859 times)

Offline Holden McGroin

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8591
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« on: May 29, 2003, 10:00:40 PM »
AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch "coffee shops" famous for selling cannabis are about to see business go up in smoke.

Officials have just put the finishing touches to a measure banning smoking in cannabis-selling cafes. Due to get government approval soon, the law aims to protect employees of all companies from passive smoking.

"Any coffee shop that has employees will be affected too," said Trudy Prins, director of Dutch anti-smoking group Stivoro.

Although cannabis is formally illegal in the Netherlands, its use and sale are tolerated under strict government conditions. Coffee shops, where customers can buy a small amount of cannabis without fear of arrest, are a major tourist draw.

Coffee shop owners were aghast. "The whole point of going to a coffee shop is to smoke," said Arjan Roskam, chairman of the Union for Cannabis Retailers.

The Netherlands boasts around 800 cannabis cafes. Smoking a joint in an Amsterdam coffee shop vies with canal boat tours and trips to the flower market for a place on tourists' itineraries.


I wonder if passive smoking causes the munchies
Holden McGroin LLC makes every effort to provide accurate and complete information. Since humor, irony, and keen insight may be foreign to some readers, no warranty, expressed or implied is offered. Re-writing this disclaimer cost me big bucks at the lawyer’s office!

Offline Manedew

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1080
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2003, 12:36:36 AM »
I'm tired of all these laws like this ... Employers/ Bar Owners, etc have rights too... Would you tell a man he can't smoke in his own house?  That's what they're saying to bar owners in NY and now Holland it seems. If you take a job working in a bar expect smoke! it's fediddleing BAR! Your not a salve, you don't have to work THERE

... sorry to see this stupid backwards way of American thinking cross the seas.... or maybe it was the Dutch that brought it here.. damn you! :D

Offline Saintaw

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6692
      • My blog
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2003, 12:45:30 AM »
Oh well, there goes the incentive to go work in Amsterdam , *poof*.
Saw
Dirty, nasty furriner.

Offline Dowding

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6867
      • http://www.psys07629.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/272/index.html
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2003, 12:53:02 AM »
Just do the Antoinette thing.
War! Never been so much fun. War! Never been so much fun! Go to your brother, Kill him with your gun, Leave him lying in his uniform, Dying in the sun.

Offline Thud

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 476
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2003, 05:12:42 AM »
If this law will be implemented, it will not be enforced in coffeeshops. The politicians in general all but agree on it being a shame to kill the carefully developed system of semi-legalized drug use that has proved to work so well because of this law.

Nothing will change in practice...

Offline Swoop

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9180
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2003, 06:07:47 AM »
ok hang on.  This law bans smoking in coffee shops?

So you can buy it, just not smoke it?



Um......so?  Skin one up and go sit in the park to smoke it instead.



Edit:  I see the future........hundreds of dutch coffee shops suddenly put chairs outside.


Offline Sixpence

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5265
      • http://www.onpoi.net/ah/index.php
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2003, 06:13:55 AM »
Cook it in brownies, it should go great with coffee:D
"My grandaddy always told me, "There are three things that'll put a good man down: Losin' a good woman, eatin' bad possum, or eatin' good possum."" - Holden McGroin

(and I still say he wasn't trying to spell possum!)

Offline capt. apathy

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4240
      • http://www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/moviewavs.cgi?Bandits=danger.wav
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2003, 06:26:29 AM »
Quote
Would you tell a man he can't smoke in his own house?


In Oregon you can't smoke in any workplace or public building (Bars are exempt).  this includes home offices if clients come to your office.  unless you have a separate entrance to your office area this can be interpreted to mean your whole house.

as a non-smoker/anti-smoker (if you want to smoke at my house you can go sit on the porch with the dogs) I think this has gone way too far.

I spend most of my work days in paper-mills (not exactly a paragon of air quality), most are completely non-smoking properties now, including outside areas and in your car in the parking lot.

even the ones that allow smoking only allow it outside.  

I spend most of my work day in the boiler-house, where they burn the toxic chemicals used in the pulping process (where you get that lovely smell from).  and while we are their we are welding, grinding, and burning making huge amounts of smoke, that if compared to whats in a cigarette would make the smoker look like quite a light-weight.  but guys aren't allowed to smoke while they do it.

personally I'd rather breath a little second hand smoke than spend my 12 hour day in a place where 20 out of the 50 guys are on a nicotine jones.

plus you get the added benefit of guys switching to chewing to get their nicotine  (IMO chewing tobacco is the "Gross Nat'l Product"). I'd rather deal with a little extra smoke and a few butts laying around, than an increase in guys spitting all over the place.

Offline Dowding

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6867
      • http://www.psys07629.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/272/index.html
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2003, 06:33:34 AM »
Hey Capt. Apathy, I work in the paper mill industry too - which company do you work for? I'm currently with Georgia-Pacific after they bought the Fort-James business.
War! Never been so much fun. War! Never been so much fun! Go to your brother, Kill him with your gun, Leave him lying in his uniform, Dying in the sun.

Offline Heater

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1381
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #9 on: May 30, 2003, 06:34:15 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Swoop


Edit:  I see the future........hundreds of dutch coffee shops suddenly put chairs outside.




I sit outside most of the time anyway...:)
HiTech is a DWEEB-PUTZ!
I have multiple personalities and none of them like you !!!


Offline capt. apathy

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4240
      • http://www.moviewavs.com/cgi-bin/moviewavs.cgi?Bandits=danger.wav
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #10 on: May 30, 2003, 06:39:02 AM »
the last 2 jobs where at GP mills (waunna Oregon, and Camas Washington). but I'll work for who ever has the most $$ this week.  

I work on just about any pressure vessle, but most of my money comes from tube repair in recovery boilers.

Offline Dowding

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6867
      • http://www.psys07629.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/272/index.html
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2003, 06:43:30 AM »
Sounds like well paid work, mate. Contracting seems the way to go if you can handle the travel etc. The prices we pay our scaffolding people are extraordinary. I just wish I'd done engineering at uni instead of damned physics - plenty of well paid jobs out there for contracting firms, although this job isn't bad.
War! Never been so much fun. War! Never been so much fun! Go to your brother, Kill him with your gun, Leave him lying in his uniform, Dying in the sun.

Offline Swoop

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9180
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2003, 06:58:34 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Heater
I sit outside most of the time anyway...:)



Is there a coffeeshop in Zeewolde with an outside seating area?  

I feel a trip to Zeewolde coming on if there is.......



Offline Wanker

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 4030
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2003, 07:17:02 AM »
In the county I live in in Minnesota, they have passed a law banning smoking in all restaurants and most bars. Places that I would never patronize before because of the thick clouds of smoke, now get my business, along with plenty of other non-smokers.

It is so refreshing to be able to go to a bar and not smell like a friggin chimmney when I get home.

All the bar owners whined about losing business at first, and there were many chicken littles crying "The sky is falling!" when the law was first passed. But since the law has been in effect, none of the bars or restaurants that I'm aware of have closed.

Gee, I guess non-smokers' money was as good as smokers money afterall!

While I sympathize with folks who are addicted to tobacco, I don't feel any sympathy for smokers who think it's their "right" to pollute the air of those around them in a public place.

Offline Swoop

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 9180
Anti-Smoking Nazis in Amsterdam
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2003, 07:40:44 AM »
banana old pal, we're not talking about restaurants and bars.  We're talking about Dutch coffeeshops.  Not like a US coffeeshop.  A Dutch coffeeshop's purpose in this world is to be a place where dope smokers go to buy it, smoke it and socialise without posting a look out for the red and blue flashing lights.

Why would a non smoker want to go to a Dutch coffeeshop other than to socialise with a smoking friend?