Author Topic: Another 20% cut (Read 656 times)

Ripsnort · « **on:** June 04, 2003, 11:38:09 AM »

Did you know that the avg. age at Boeing is now 48 yrs. old? Pretty sad...

ra · « **Reply #1 on:** June 04, 2003, 11:39:13 AM »

20% of what?

Ripsnort · « **Reply #2 on:** June 04, 2003, 11:40:54 AM »

Well, thats just my division...2400 people. Boeing had 82,000 working in the Puget Sound region on Sept. 10th, 2001. To date they have laid off 36,000.

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #3 on:** June 04, 2003, 11:46:27 AM »

Wait a minute!! I thought this was all Bushs fault!!!

Ripsnort · « **Reply #4 on:** June 04, 2003, 11:47:23 AM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Wait a minute!! I thought this was all Bushs fault!!!

??

Must have been a thread I missed..

Several contributors:

~9/11 (obviously)
~Slow world economic growth
~SARS (No ones flying to/from SE Asia, 70% of commercial sales involved Asian airlines)
~Airbus selling planes for peanuts due to Gov't subsidies.
~Washington State being full of democrats that over tax big business, force them to look elsewhere (Like Russian, India)
~Union reps have over-priced the hourly workers right of a job. Outside contractors will do the hourly manufacturing work for 1/2 price of what a Union worker gets.

mauser · « **Reply #5 on:** June 04, 2003, 11:55:16 AM »

A few guys I know who graduated a semester after I did from college got hired at Boeing back around '98 or so. I had also applied prior to graduation, but didn't get interviewed. About a year later, I heard from others that at least two out of three got laid off and were headed back home. Both now work here at Pearl, where the average age in Engineering and Planning Div is gradually going down but is still up there in the high 40's/low 50's (and folks can retire around 55). When I first came aboard some of the people I met remarked how they were finally hiring people after not hiring for roughly 20 years. The result... a severe gap in knowledge with the really knowledgeable folks either retired or very close to it. When they're all gone it will almost be like re-inventing the wheel...

mauser

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #6 on:** June 04, 2003, 12:07:26 PM »

Man... so you mean the unemployment rate is the result of factors other than "chimpy?"

Ripsnort · « **Reply #7 on:** June 04, 2003, 12:13:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Man... so you mean the unemployment rate is the result of factors other than "chimpy?"

Yes, much to Weazels disappointment

Nifty · « **Reply #8 on:** June 04, 2003, 01:03:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Union reps have over-priced the hourly workers right of a job. Outside contractors will do the hourly manufacturing work for 1/2 price of what a Union worker gets.

is that before or after you factor in the cost of benefits to said union workers? If it's just based on hourly rates, then contracting is even less than 1/2 of what it costs for the union worker.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #9 on:** June 04, 2003, 01:13:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Nifty
is that before or after you factor in the cost of benefits to said union workers? If it's just based on hourly rates, then contracting is even less than 1/2 of what it costs for the union worker.

Good point. I was strictly going by hourly wage

midnight Target · « **Reply #10 on:** June 04, 2003, 01:24:28 PM »

dam Unions

Mighty1 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 04, 2003, 01:34:37 PM »

Oh I thought this was a circumcision thread.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #12 on:** June 04, 2003, 01:45:36 PM »

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Originally posted by midnight Target
dam Unions

I know you say that with a sarcastic tone...however, when I hired in back in 1979, I *knew* that the wages I was earning was 50% higher than Joe Blow doing the same job at Kenworth next door at Boeing Field. Our union was strong, they always strapped Boeing Management into a position that they could ask for anything they wanted..and they got it. Common sense tells you that when the world became "competitive", that these jobs would be going overseas, or to states controlled by "Conservative Corporate-friendly States" that understand that keeping the big boy on the block happy with tax breaks will keep employment in the area.

I cashed my paycheck like everyone else, but always commented on much we made compared to the outside..."it couldn't possibly go on like this, can it?" Well, it did until Airbus became a competitor to McDonald Douglas, Boeing. By that time the damage was done by the Unions (Asking double the wage) We were too expensive. Hire Contract labor. Ship the work overseas.

WTG Mr.Union Man.

SOB · « **Reply #13 on:** June 04, 2003, 03:39:18 PM »

Rip, you fool, that's unpossible - the union can do no wrong! This is without a doubt the result of bumbling fat cat executives getting million dollar bonuses and doing other things as yet to be revealed to us. I think it's time for a Michael Moore exposé on Boeing!

SOB

midnight Target · « **Reply #14 on:** June 04, 2003, 03:50:11 PM »

You know less than you think Rip. I am staunchly anti-Union and always have been. I have been through 2 NLRB votes as a member of management and we "won" both times. Unions can do NOTHING for a worker except cost him a job. If the wages at Boeing were 2x as high as Kenworth then the Boeing mgmt probably felt it was worth it.

Any company with a union probably deserves it.