Author Topic: Italian planes... (Read 1979 times)

Arlo · « **Reply #15 on:** June 06, 2003, 05:24:29 PM »

And the bestest thing about the SM-79 Sparviero and the CR-32 Chirri is that they both flew ......

In the
Spanish
Civil
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LUPO · « **Reply #16 on:** June 06, 2003, 06:16:02 PM »

WTG everybody!

I'm dreaming about a spanish civil war scenario, with sm79, cr32 and bf109, oh god!

brady · « **Reply #17 on:** June 06, 2003, 06:49:32 PM »

Why on earth would you want a SM 79, when you could get a Cant Z 1007, it's way more capable, and would be far better a bomber.

See the link bellow in my sig for the full story.

Their are realy only two bombers worth serious consideration for Italy, both saw service throught the war with Italy.

Now If we look at the capabalities of the two we soon see the following, The Cant Z 1007 was:

Faster: Top speed aprox 10 to 30 mph faster than the SM 79(depending on model)

Climb Rate: Cant Z 1007 climber initialy aprox 500 ft per minute faster than the SM 79.

Z 1007 initial climb rate aprox.1, 550 ft/min.

SM 79 initial climb rate:1,150ft/min(typical)

Range: The Cant Z 1007 had aprox. twice the range as the SM 79. SM 79 aprox 1,243 miles Cant Z 1007 aprox. 3,100 miles.

Defensive Arament:Both had a very simmilar defensive package, two 12.7mm and two 7.7mm guns, the 12.7mm being dorsal and ventral guns and the 7.7mm beams guns. The SM 79 howeaver on some models had a 12.7mm fixed firing ahead.

Bomb load, the Cant Z 1007 could cary a larger bombload.

SM 79 aprox2,640 pounds(later models) or Two 450mm torpedos.

Cant Z 1007 aprox. 4,410 pounds internaly, alternatively two 1,000 pound torpedos and 4 bombs up to 551lb on under wing racks.

So in conclushion the Cant Z 1007 is Faster,Climbs Faster, Has Twice the range, and Twice the Bomb Load and is as well defended, also In torpedo mode it not only has the same torpload but can cary Four 500 pound bombs at the same time.

My wet dream for the CT would be the Cant Z 1007 and the MC 200, CR 42, and a Re 2000 series Jabo.

bigjava · « **Reply #18 on:** June 06, 2003, 08:53:28 PM »

wtg brady Cantz is the best but i love the sm79 is so cooler!!!

than the Cantz

LUPO · « **Reply #19 on:** June 06, 2003, 09:35:23 PM »

Belle foto Bigjava! gli screen sono CFS2, vero?

brady · « **Reply #20 on:** June 06, 2003, 10:05:26 PM »

WOW!, Nice Shot's the Cant pic on the bottom is now my wallpapper:)!

LUPO · « **Reply #21 on:** June 07, 2003, 06:01:09 PM »

My wallpaper is the SM79 above, of course!

brady · « **Reply #22 on:** June 07, 2003, 06:13:38 PM »

Ya it is a Nice shot to be shure.

Arlo · « **Reply #23 on:** June 07, 2003, 06:19:16 PM »

Three important words you must not forget:

[size=8]Spanish
Civil
War
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Rutilant · « **Reply #24 on:** June 07, 2003, 07:07:20 PM »

Quote

Originally posted by brady
Why on earth would you want a SM 79, when you could get a Cant Z 1007, it's way more capable, and would be far better a bomber.

See the link bellow in my sig for the full story.

Their are realy only two bombers worth serious consideration for Italy, both saw service throught the war with Italy.

Now If we look at the capabalities of the two we soon see the following, The Cant Z 1007 was:

Faster: Top speed aprox 10 to 30 mph faster than the SM 79(depending on model)

Climb Rate: Cant Z 1007 climber initialy aprox 500 ft per minute faster than the SM 79.

Z 1007 initial climb rate aprox.1, 550 ft/min.

SM 79 initial climb rate:1,150ft/min(typical)

Range: The Cant Z 1007 had aprox. twice the range as the SM 79. SM 79 aprox 1,243 miles Cant Z 1007 aprox. 3,100 miles.

Defensive Arament:Both had a very simmilar defensive package, two 12.7mm and two 7.7mm guns, the 12.7mm being dorsal and ventral guns and the 7.7mm beams guns. The SM 79 howeaver on some models had a 12.7mm fixed firing ahead.

Bomb load, the Cant Z 1007 could cary a larger bombload.

SM 79 aprox2,640 pounds(later models) or Two 450mm torpedos.

Cant Z 1007 aprox. 4,410 pounds internaly, alternatively two 1,000 pound torpedos and 4 bombs up to 551lb on under wing racks.

So in conclushion the Cant Z 1007 is Faster,Climbs Faster, Has Twice the range, and Twice the Bomb Load and is as well defended, also In torpedo mode it not only has the same torpload but can cary Four 500 pound bombs at the same time.

My wet dream for the CT would be the Cant Z 1007 and the MC 200, CR 42, and a Re 2000 series Jabo.

Why on earth would you take a Hurricane instea dof the far more capable La7?

Is fun, much funfun-ness

brady · « **Reply #25 on:** June 07, 2003, 07:35:47 PM »

While were likely to get bunches of new fighter types, it is highly unlikely we will get just one let alone two Italian bomber's in this life time, thats why I prefer the Cant Z 1007, since it is the better machine. So to go with the funess analogy of the La7 vs the Huricaane as u see it the the Cant is the funner machine...

The only real argument for the SM 79 is that some people think it looks better than the Z 1007, it has nothing to with preformance.

Arlo · « **Reply #26 on:** June 07, 2003, 07:54:41 PM »

Neh .. it performs fine. The Cant has some slight advantages here and there. The main thing I keep reminding you of is that the 79 has more history. To a scenario designer ... history is a major point in it's favor.

brady · « **Reply #27 on:** June 07, 2003, 08:07:12 PM »

Other than the fact that it sank more ship's and was in Spain thats the only history it has, that and the Z 1007 was it's replacement, and they both served throught WW 2, and scenaro designer's have had to comprimise so much in the past on planes and choces for scenarious that a Cant Z 1007 would be close enough for any set up that would require a SM 79 and in most cases they were in service in the same theater anyway so no subing would be nesscessary, heck if a JU 88 can sub for a Betty (LOL) a Z 1007 and a SM 79 are close enough for them I am shure.
While you may downplay the advanatges of the Z 1007 since it is keeping with you pro SM 79 stance, the numbers are realy very much in favor of the Z 1007, espichaly if your in the hanger and deciding which bomber to take. Do you want to take half the bombs take longer to climb and fly slower to target, but take solace in the knowledge that some people find the SM 79 sexy:), or take twice the bombs climb faster and fly faster...hmmm:)

brady · « **Reply #28 on:** June 07, 2003, 08:40:25 PM »

Hey Guy's, Have you seen this?:

http://www.dalnet.se/~surfcity/cr32_cd.htm

The link apears to broken , do any of you know if they are obtainable?

I have several of the ALI D'ITALIA series, and a few Aviolibri book's, but I would like to expand my colection, any sugestion's?

brady · « **Reply #29 on:** June 07, 2003, 09:23:33 PM »

The Re 2002 would nice to have as well:

Or a Re 2000:

And the Re 2001:

Be nice to have an Italian Jabo plane.