Author Topic: Poll time: F4U4 and 152 (Read 1592 times)

AHGOD · « **on:** June 05, 2003, 04:36:21 PM »

IMO I think these two birds need to brought down in perk price.

152: 8-10
F4U4 20-25

My opinion and that is wha I feel is right.

udet · « **Reply #1 on:** June 05, 2003, 04:42:18 PM »

seconded. 152 is not that great.

humble · « **Reply #2 on:** June 05, 2003, 04:51:19 PM »

I got "bounced" by a 152 in my jug last night...it took about 5 minutes before I was able to get the E states evened out and nail him...but truthfully I never felt like he had a chance. To me 152 is a pure waste...on the other hand I think the -4 hog is the dominant plane in the set (non jet). I don't think any other plane can take it 1 vs 1 (obviously pilot skill would need to be about equal). I'd say the 152 should be either unperked or down about where the C-Hog is...I'd like to see the -4 tempest and spitIVX come down a bit, you almost never see them in the MA.

GScholz · « **Reply #3 on:** June 05, 2003, 05:37:39 PM »

Wow Humble, he must have been a terrible shot (like me)!

RightF00T · « **Reply #4 on:** June 05, 2003, 05:39:48 PM »

The F4U4 is a waste. Even if you do outfly your opponent(which probably picked you out of 30 cons simply because of your tag) you have to deal with the other lip-smacking point and clickers and by then its probably too late. Yeah the F4U4 is good...for sight-seeing. Racking up at 70 perks it makes me personally reluctant to engage in a fight because against the likes of La7, P51, and Spit(TnB) you simply dont have that much of an advantage to dictate the fight. Or am I flying it wrong?

bj229r · « **Reply #5 on:** June 05, 2003, 05:47:52 PM »

I concur Rightfoot (well...unless ya 5k and under...where La7 rules all in most aspects)--I assume its advantages are more easily seen at alt...but there are dang few fights at 'alt'

Widewing · « **Reply #6 on:** June 05, 2003, 06:41:15 PM »

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Originally posted by RightF00T
The F4U4 is a waste. Even if you do outfly your opponent(which probably picked you out of 30 cons simply because of your tag) you have to deal with the other lip-smacking point and clickers and by then its probably too late. Yeah the F4U4 is good...for sight-seeing. Racking up at 70 perks it makes me personally reluctant to engage in a fight because against the likes of La7, P51, and Spit(TnB) you simply dont have that much of an advantage to dictate the fight. Or am I flying it wrong?

Perhaps you ARE flying it wrong. I've managed to go 89/5 with the F4U-4 over the past few tours, with just one loss to fighters, and I was out of gas trying to stay airborne long enough to get to the server dump after a reset. Those remaining four went to ack and flak.

Like any other fighter, one must fly it enough to learn its strengths and weaknesses (although there are no significant areas of weakness). Check out DoctorYO's post here: F4U-4

Spend some time in it in the DA. I fly the P-47 a lot too, and the 4Hog is on a different level altogether.

When you consider that the F4U-4 in AH is modeled from the most conservative performance figures I've found, just imagine if how it would do with the numbers generated by Grumman (which tested one in mid 1945) where it climbed at 4,100 ft/min from sea level and achieved 390+ mph on the deck (those numbers come from the Grumman test pilot assigned to wring out the fighter).

In the 4Hog, you have the acceleration of the 109G10, the climb of a Spit IX, the roll of a 190, unmatched dive acceleration, the guns of a P-51D, 446 mph at 26k, stall fighting capability able to eat up Yaks and possibly the best energy retention in the game. All of that and one could make a decent argument that it's somewhat porked!!!!

Finally, more F4U-4Bs where built than F4U-1Cs. Picture this monster with 4 Hispanos and 900+ rounds of ammo! Now, THAT would be worth 70 perk points.

My regards,

Widewing

moot · « **Reply #7 on:** June 05, 2003, 07:24:05 PM »

What Widewing said except it doesnt hold e as well as the 152 and 51D at least, and doesnt hold a candle to yaks in stall fighting.

8 perks for the 152, 25 for the -4.

hazed- · « **Reply #8 on:** June 05, 2003, 07:32:03 PM »

8 perks for 152
30 perks for F4U-4
20 perks for spit14
40 perks for Tempest
5 or 6 perks for F4U-c

streetstang · « **Reply #9 on:** June 05, 2003, 09:28:33 PM »

These two planes shine at High alt. Concidering most of the fights,(the very large Majority) happen from 15 down to 5k, these two planes are always out of place and really arent that much of a threat. Espesially the Ta152. This thing is a dog until you get over 20k. Once up there not much will be able to touch you. There are some who Im sure will disagree with me in that respect but the Ta152 was designed for very High alt operations. The Hog4 is just like any plane as far as Im concerned. It is a screamer when in its zone, but with only a slight speed advantage in most cases its not all that fun to fly considering its cost. I know some guys who love to fly them and swear by the things, but when the get shot up and die they are madder then a wet hen. To me its just an over perked Hog. Like the NIKI and the CHog situation. Whats the difference? Chog was perked due to its cannons and the fact that everyone was getting HO'd by the CHog. Now they just use NIKI's to do the HOing with.
Getting back on track, Ive seen guys eat Hog4's for lunch in pony's. So does that mean we should perk the pony??? To me its how you fly the things that really makes the difference. A Hog4 is no better than Spit1 if the pilot flying it does not know his plane. So in the end I agree with the fact that it is indeed perked WAY too much. As for the Ta152, usless.... Ive run them down in ponys at 10K. They are just horridly slow at low alt.
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gshine666 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 05, 2003, 09:44:32 PM »

I think they are both overperked. Along with the Spit14

But I'd also like to see the -4 and the 14 lose thier perk icon...

Frost · « **Reply #11 on:** June 05, 2003, 10:10:46 PM »

Widewing...I know you tested the -4 against the G-10 in acceleration at sea level and they were identical. I'd be interested to see them tested against eachother at higher alts. I think the -4 would start to fall back. At sea level the speed and climb are pretty nice but it starts to fall behind a number of planes higher up.

Kweassa · « **Reply #12 on:** June 05, 2003, 11:52:06 PM »

*My suggested perk values

Me262: 100 points
Spitfire14: 20 points
Tempest5: 30 points
F4U-4: 20 points
Ta152H-1: 10 points
F4U-1C: 8 points
Me163B: 70 points
Ar234: 50 points

Why I think so, can be found on the link on my sig.

ps) Our AH Ta152H-1, is virtually a P-47 with better WEP and higher maximum speed, shi**y guns and a teenseey weenseey better maneuverability.

Kind of hard to imagine our Ta152H being able to duke it out in sustained turn fights against a Tempest, eh? But then again, our Typhoon and Tempest almost out turns the 109G-2..

moot · « **Reply #13 on:** June 06, 2003, 12:48:15 AM »

They're probably not as performing as their price is worth, but it's also because the arena is set to not favor late war over early war.

Kweassa, the 152 isnt as much a whale as the 47s in terms of lightness of controls but isn't as tame as they are in the end of bout stall fighting. The tail wag of it is worse a handicap than the 47's voluntary E bleeding and stubborn nose-up stall.
The guns aren't crappy, they just stress good aim and timing to land good bursts.

mjolnir · « **Reply #14 on:** June 06, 2003, 02:20:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Kweassa
*My suggested perk values

Me262: 100 points
Spitfire14: 20 points
Tempest5: 30 points
F4U-4: 20 points
Ta152H-1: 10 points
F4U-1C: 8 points
Me163B: 70 points
Ar234: 50 points

Alright, so this means that if you're a bishop, these planes will cost:

Me262: 160
Spit14: 35
Temp: 50
F4U-4: 35
Ta152: 16
F4U-1C: 13
Me163: 110
Ar234: 80

Of course these are rough guesses based on what the perk modifier seems to hover around. Still an improvement though, I can't remember the last time I was on and a 262 cost less than 300.