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Offline ramzey

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P51 vs 190D9 45
« on: June 09, 2003, 02:06:48 PM »
Im courious whichone plane is better in performance /not count pilots skills/ in RL
Climb, max speed at all atlitudes, turn rate, rollrate, armour, booster, firepower.

Im not expert on pony so dont know wichone wersion of pony was used as last during ww2 in europe /H? K?/


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Offline ra

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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2003, 02:47:05 PM »
The Dora is a little better in everything except range.
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Offline davidpt40

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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2003, 02:56:47 PM »
P51 is better in turning.
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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2003, 03:03:50 PM »
Dora would climb better and be a bit faster. The 51 would turn better but the dora could roll. Above 22k the dora suffers and the pony should have the advantage.

armor is rather meaningless I think theres at max 6 -12mm. Both can be penetrated by either plane.

Firepower goes to the dora but those 50s can shread so they would even out. In rl spray and pray kills didnt happen that much.

Above 22k I would say the pony should take it.

Below that the edge goes to the dora but ultimately pilot skill matters more.

The 51 may be a bit more fragile but the idea is not to get hit :)

Everyone knows 51s come in packs :)

dora info here

http://jagdhund.homestead.com/files/Dora.htm
« Last Edit: June 09, 2003, 03:07:15 PM by Batz »
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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« Reply #4 on: June 09, 2003, 04:48:29 PM »
Like Chuck Yeager said the Fw190D is the best fighter he ever flew provided you kept it under 25,000 feet - and that was likely with no MW50.. :D
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Offline ramzey

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« Reply #5 on: June 09, 2003, 05:24:14 PM »
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Like Chuck Yeager said the Fw190D is the best fighter he ever flew provided you kept it under 25,000 feet - and that was likely with no MW50.. :D


u know every kid likes more toys of diferent kid;)

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Offline Kweassa

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« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2003, 08:12:47 PM »
According to the worshippers of the Sacred Order of the Holy Church of America's Hundred Thousand in IL-2/FB forums at UBI, the P-51D is superior in combat against anything the LW throws at them.

 :rolleyes: It's the plane that won the war :rolleyes:

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« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2003, 09:06:51 PM »
As modelled in AH, the planes are pretty evenly matched.  The Dora holds the edge in acceleration and climb rate, and top speed at low alts.  The P-51 has the edge in turning, low speed stability, and firepower.  Neither plane can take a hit that well, I'd give the P-51 a little edge in the durability column though.  

For the P-51 to win, he has to force the Dora to get manuever and get slow.  Once the fight goes below 200 mph or so, the Dora is dogmeat.  For the Dora to win, he has to force the P-51 to bleed off his speed to the point where the flaps come out, and then use acceleration and climb rate to wear the P-51 down.  

With two decent pilots it will probably be a fairly long and evenly matched fight.
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Offline ramzey

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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2003, 09:34:22 PM »
ty for your notes guys


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Offline VO101_Isegrim

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« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2003, 05:43:53 AM »
Hi! I looked trough my archieves for flight tests for these aircraft, and found the followings for P-51B, D and D-9 (1945 w. MW50). The relative advantages can be seen well.



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« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2003, 07:58:16 AM »
What about Spitfire XIV vs. the Dora? how do you think those compare?

Obviously the roll rate goes to the 190, but am i right in thinking the spit takes everything but range?
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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2003, 08:13:45 AM »
Rollrate, deck speed, mid alt speed, dive accell and crisp, high speed handling go to Dora, perhaps also range.

Spit 14 takes everything else, especially climb and level acell which are greatest advantage IMO.
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« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2003, 11:05:02 AM »
Gruen is right but in ah but most think they are flying a spit 9 and instead of enrgy fighting they try to turn turn turn.

In the ct when the spit 14 is up (I have flown the current setup) its easy to suck down lo and to get them a turning. Once this happens just about any plane can beat umm.

The last set up with the 14 I was in an 190a5 vrs 3 of umm and sshot umm down. We started at 19k I got umm to the deck and killed umm 1 at a time.

From the last CT tour and last Ct setup where the 14 was used (not the current setup)

Batz has 7 kills and has been killed 0 times against the Spitfire Mk XIV.

In 2 sorties in the 190a5

Batz has 5 kills and has been killed 0 times in the Fw 190A-5 against the Spitfire Mk XIV.

Its been my experience that the p51 is usually the better fight. This migfht be just because folks have more overall experience in 51s then the normally perked spit 14.
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« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2003, 12:23:51 PM »
The Spitfire XIV is a fine fighter when flown properly. I got 3 Doras in my first CT Night mission in that setup, and 3 109G-10s in my second. All straight up fights, no vulches, rtb'd both missions. Flew high (mostly), and fast (always).

Any fighter is easy prey when it goes low and turns, including the LA-7 and the Me262.

As for the Spitfire IX and turning tactics, thats got to be the greatest peice of mythology amongst the Allied plane set. Its a turnfighter. Well, it is if you like dying I guess. Any Spit pilot with an ounce of sense flies it high and fast and picks his moment, turning is a last resort when something has gone wrong, for the IX or the XIV. Worst place you can be in a IX is on the deck with faster 190s, or a 109 a few k above you when you need to extend out. I always see the LW guys saying what a great turnfighter it is...hmm...I wonder if the IJN lads say that a lot to the F6F drivers? :)

Of course the above only applies if you like to rtb, if you dont, find the nearest fight and dive right in.

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« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2003, 01:15:08 PM »
Yea Spit14 is a vertical fighter extraordinaire. I was amazed how I was able to repeatedly climb out of danger in a 14 with 2, 3 or even 4 Tempests and Me262 fighting me on the deck in the current CT setup - in fact I feel I could have killed most of them with ease but my rudder was shot off and I had almost no 20mm left so getting lethal hits was difficult. The 14s turn rate is only fair and it takes a while for a 14 to outurn a P51 with full flap.
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