k/t needs to be taken with a pinch of NaCl

[Steve]

Mandoble, seriously dude.. are you for real about planes being uber?  I flew the la7 a few times and it is the closest thing to being uber...but it has traits that can readily be exploited by its opponents.  I have to think you are kidding.... I mean really... uber planes?  There just aren't any.

[MANDOBLE]

Originally posted by Steve
There just aren't any.

Of course F15 is more uber. What I mean is that they are uber compared to most of the non perked fighters. BTW, IMO, Yak9U is uber compared to La7.

[Rude]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
Really? Are the La7 and P51 slow planes? BTW, what means slow for you? slow diving? slow climbing? slow leveled? slow low? slow high? slow after turning 360 dgrees? slow with WEP? slow without WEP? Do you mean that their TOP speeds are "slow" at sea level? Do you know how many seconds (mins) do they need to reach their top speeds from a predefined "slow" start speed and fuel load?

RAW top speed is usefull only to reach a destination faster, flying straight and level. Acceleration, climb rate, controls authority, weapons and E retention is what make a fighter uber.

Still whinin after all this time?

You might consider just gettin better and lettin your flying speak for you rather than typing so much fiction....talks cheap ya know?

[Rude]

Originally posted by Steve
Mandoble, seriously dude.. are you for real about planes being uber?  I flew the la7 a few times and it is the closest thing to being uber...but it has traits that can readily be exploited by its opponents.  I have to think you are kidding.... I mean really... uber planes?  There just aren't any.

You're wrong Steve....the uber planes are the ones being flown by the uber pilots....Levi, WT, Shane, Urchin, Drex and a dozen others.

Mandoble just hates not being revered as an uber kinda guy and has always vented that frustration in one form or another.

[MANDOBLE]

Originally posted by Rude
Mandoble just hates not being revered as an uber kinda guy and has always vented that frustration in one form or another.

LOL OMG, this one is really worth a psichological study.

[Apache]

BTW, IMO, Yak9U is uber compared to La7

This from a D9 driver. Seen the monthly a/c kill stats lately Mandoble?

[Karnak]

MANDOBLE,

I figured you could follow a few posts of reasoning, but apparently it was too much for you.

Here you go, in order:

Originally posted by Karnak:
MANDOBLE,

I find the N1K2 and Spitfire Mk IX to be relatively easy kills and I fly a big assed heavy fighter. They are clearly not "uber".

The La-7 and P-51D on the other hand are much closer to "uber".

Then your response:

Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
These planes are uber, not the pilots inside. I find all of them as easy targets, but is because the pilots, not the plane.

And my reply:

Originally posted by Karnak:
MANDOBLE,

No. They're easy kills because they're slow and the only way they can get me is if I screw up. It takes a good pilot in one of them to get me without me screwing up majorly.

Slow = easy kill.

I'm sorry that you can't see that, but it is the truth.

Thus it should have been clear that I was saying the Spitfire Mk IX and N1K2-J were easy kills because they are slow.  I will quite admit that I have problems with P-51Ds and La-7s.  That is why I said that they are closer to "uber".

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Steve
Geez Beet1e, Nuke is right.  Just about all your posts have some self promoting reference in them.  You got this many kills, and were magnificent, you got that many kills and were magnificent.  You even post the films...lol.  You are attention deprived, aren't you?
With all the chest pounding you do, one would think you're some kind of killing machine. I ran into your 109 the other day and put you away in seconds.... gave you an  and got no reply.  Come back down to earth Beet1e like I sent you to earth in the virtual world.. for some of us, 7-10 kill missions are a daily occurance.

What surprised me, for someone that is as timid in the air as Beet1e, he even gets any kills.  It would be interesting to see how many of his multiple kill sorties actually involved a 1v1 fight or at least one without him running to the nearest friendly or ack.


Ack-Ack

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by MANDOBLE
R Acceleration, climb rate, controls authority, weapons and E retention is what make a fighter uber.

Considering the performance of the La7 drops of dramatically above 16,000ft and is not a very good turn fighter and the E retention is hardly stellar, one can hardly call it uber.  The same for the P-51, N1K2 and Spitfire.  They all have weaknesses that hardly allow them to be considered 'uber', unless you're one of those that just doesn't know how to fight them.


Ack-Ack

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
What surprised me, for someone that is as timid in the air as Beet1e, he even gets any kills.  It would be interesting to see how many of his multiple kill sorties actually involved a 1v1 fight or at least one without him running to the nearest friendly or ack.


Ack-Ack

Yep - just goes to show you don't know this game as well as you thought you did.

Here's a snapshot I took during one of my timid moments.



I've only just seen the text from steve - he's been on my ignore list ever since he lashed out at Curval (totally unprovoked verbal attack) and it was so bad that skuzzy had to lock the thread. NUKE is a life member of my ignore list, but clearly I'm not yet on his, or so it seems...

That's all from me - see you in a week. Good hunting

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by beet1e
Yep - just goes to show you don't know this game as well as you thought you did.

Here's a snapshot I took during one of my timid moments.



I've only just seen the text from steve - he's been on my ignore list ever since he lashed out at Curval (totally unprovoked verbal attack) and it was so bad that skuzzy had to lock the thread. NUKE is a life member of my ignore list, but clearly I'm not yet on his, or so it seems...

That's all from me - see you in a week. Good hunting

Yes it was a timid moment.  That one was the kill you got after you ran from me and then only re-engaged when I was busy with another plane.  Face the facts, how many kills can you claim that you got without running for help to the nearest friendly or acks?  I can say for sure that in all the fights that we've had, you've ran every single time from the initial 1v1 engagement, even when you've had the advantage only to return when I was engaged with another.

Your self-promotion is also making you self-delusional.


Ack-Ack

[Suave]

Someone save me the time of reading all of this and tell me what k/t is please .

[MANDOBLE]

Karnak, I was replying to muckmaw in my first post and to ack-ack in the second one, and only replied your last one, I didnt even read any of your previous posts.

BTW, uber is not equal to unbeatable. All and every plane has its weak points, even the 262.

Rude, for your mental health take into consideration my rule: do not measure yourself based on games.

[Karnak]

MANDOBLE,

Really?  Sure looked like you were responding to me:

Originally posted by MANDOBLE:

Originally posted by Karnak:
MANDOBLE,
No. They're easy kills because they're slow

Really? Are the La7 and P51 slow planes? BTW, what means slow for you? slow diving? slow climbing? slow leveled? slow low? slow high? slow after turning 360 dgrees? slow with WEP? slow without WEP? Do you mean that their TOP speeds are "slow" at sea level? Do you know how many seconds (mins) do they need to reach their top speeds from a predefined "slow" start speed and fuel load?

RAW top speed is usefull only to reach a destination faster, flying straight and level. Acceleration, climb rate, controls authority, weapons and E retention is what make a fighter uber.

I can't uderstand why somebody who flies the Fw190D-9 undersells raw speed so badly and insists on misunderstanding acceleration.

The raw speed of the fighter I fly has won me quite a few fights, and it's top speed is 45mph slower than your Fw190D-9's.  

Furthermore your Fw190D-9's acceleration can't be that bad because of its top speed. The Fw190D-9 is still accelerating long after the N1K2-J or Spitfire Mk IX have ceased to do so.  It is true that they out accelerate the Fw190D-9 over a very narrow speed range, but at most speeds (and the speeds the Fw190D-9 should keep the fight most importantly) the Fw190D-9 will out accelerate them.  If you are consistantly being out accelerated by those fighters it is either because you are misusing the Fw190D-9 or because you have set a challenge for yourself by using an aircraft that is unsuited to turn and burn fighting for turn and burn fighting.  So either learn to use your fighter or stop complaining that it is at a disadvantage when used in a way it is unsuited to.



Slow to me means it can't catch my aircraft.  I fly the Mosquito.  Make your own conclusions from that.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Yes it was a timid moment.  That one was the kill you got after you ran from me and then only re-engaged when I was busy with another plane.  Face the facts, how many kills can you claim that you got without running for help to the nearest friendly or acks?  I can say for sure that in all the fights that we've had, you've ran every single time from the initial 1v1 engagement, even when you've had the advantage only to return when I was engaged with another.

Your self-promotion is also making you self-delusional.

No self promotion. I'm not an ace, never was - but sometimes I do OK. People in my age group are not particularly worried about who's best at a game, and probably don't have the ambition. I think that particular kill of you was when you had come single handed to a field where about 4 of us were already up. Brave, but stupid.

Steve accused me of chest pounding - hardly. Do I not frequently ask for help on this BBS? With the 109G10 for example. I have posted many times for help, and received it from guys like Urchin, Grunherz and Ecke. Never thought of myself as a killing machine - that's why I posted the films - so there can be no argument or doubt about what happened or how. No-one is compelled to download films.

As for kills without running to friendly or acks, see further up this thread. -Film of 6 kill sortie at enemy base (no ack to run to), maybe one or two friendlies who I saved (one was a buff, I think), and I just used alt and speed, and techniques I learned by watching films of guys like Grunherz.

Whatever I say is never going to be good enough for you akak. If I were to have mentioned killing 9 with no film, you would have accused me of vulching. But the film disproves that, so you have to accuse me of something else - like running to friendly or ack. Now I've pointed you to yet another film which disproves what you said about running to friendlies or ack, you'll accuse me of yet something else again. But go ahead. I'm not going to be here to read it. Got to get ready now. Heading to the airport in a couple of hours...  

Ciao