Author Topic: Action packed! (Read 1315 times)

Hajo · « **Reply #30 on:** June 11, 2003, 07:04:34 PM »

Moot! Where in the hell have ya been? Haven't seen you up in a longggg time.

Hornet · « **Reply #31 on:** June 11, 2003, 08:14:45 PM »

this game would be infinitely better if HTC decided to pull the gv aspect completely until they either have the time to give it 1-2 more dev passes or the population realizes that planes are what AH is about.

Urchin · « **Reply #32 on:** June 11, 2003, 08:32:08 PM »

Shubert... I don't think you are on the same level as Lazs is. Honestly. Don't mean it in a mean way or anything.

Lazs is a lot like me, except he has been playing longer. So instead of giving you Lazs life story (as it relates to AH) I'll give you mine. In brief.

April 2001- Start playing. Really suck. Fly bombers for fun, so I can feel like I've not sucked quite as bad.

through ~August 2001- Still suck in fighters, but I'm getting a little tiny bit better. Trying out the GVs when I get sick of bombers and fighters.. but GVs are harder than bombers are.

through ~late 2001 - Ok, I'm starting to get this fighter thing. It can be a whole lotta fun flying the LW stuff and flying it well, and thats how I'm gonna make my reputation.

~mid 2002 - Ok, I'm good in fighters. I'm at the top of my game. (Ok, I'm really not, but I thought I was). I'm in a kickass squad, we can really take people apart in the LW stuff.

~Late 2002 - Well, people don't seem to want to fight much anymore, maybe I should take up bombers and GVs again.

~about 30 minutes later - Hum... compared to a good dogfight, a milkrun bomber mission is about as exciting as watching paint dry, and GVs seem slightly weird.

~about an hour after that - Ok, bombers are right out. It is plain boring. GVs could be fun, but I keep getting strafed by Spitfires and blown up, so I'm getting slightly fed up.

Which brings us to the present. I think taking a half hour to climb to 10k to do a milkrun on some undefended factory is boring as hell. I haven't been in a bomber in a couple months. I do enjoy shooting them down though. I honestly think I could enjoy playing with tanks, but the modelling still seems a bit off to me, so I get fed up when my Panzer gets blown up with .50s or Hizookas, or when my Tiger loses both tracks and has an epileptic seizure. So, I stay out of them.

The only thing I really, honestly enjoy doing in this game is shooting planes down. I like killing bombers and fighters, Lazs likes the fighters. I think that most people will eventually reach the stage that I am at. You just aren't there yet. So yes, I agree wholeheartedly with just about everything Lazs has to say about fuel-porkers and building battlers, and the ungodly hard time finding a good fight on some maps.

I think after you get some experience under your belt, and perhaps get to the point where you are very competent in fighters, you will find that nothing else in the game really compares to the simple enjoyment of a good fight. I didn't mean any of this post in a deragatory way or anything, so I'll apologize in advance if you take offense to it.

muckmaw · « **Reply #33 on:** June 11, 2003, 09:07:21 PM »

Urchin-

What's the next step when the thrill of the dogfight is gone?

And on the converse, you said you enjoy shooting down bombers.

I enjoy organizing missions where I know we are going to get intercepted, and fighting off the likes of you. (Well not you personally, you're a knight)

I fiddle with fighters, but my true love is in the heavies, and I've been in AH since July of 2001. Some find the niche and stick with it. Heavy bombing just happens to be mine.

But you're right, a milkrun is dull.

A mission like the one's I've been invloved with of late...maybe not as action packed as a knife fight, but quite entertaining.

You should join us as an escort for one.

Dead Man Flying · « **Reply #34 on:** June 11, 2003, 10:07:32 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
What's the next step when the thrill of the dogfight is gone?

The thrill of the dogfight never leaves. I've enjoyed it for almost seven years in Air Warrior and now in Aces High. The problem, alas, stems not from boredom at dogfighting but rather boredom from lack of dogfighting. The reservations that Urchin, Batz, and others express toward the current trend away from dogfighting in Aces High demonstrate just how strong the thrill of dogfighting burns... and the disappointment when circumstances thwart that enjoyment.

-- Todd/Leviathn

Steve · « **Reply #35 on:** June 11, 2003, 10:35:45 PM »

Pizza map is killing the fun for me!!! Give me a map w/ bases practically right on top of the other. since I don't fly over 15k usually, I keep getting forced out of areas on the pizza map. I mean.. 15k is HIGH.. and I'm gettin chased out by 25k dudes and their rides... spits... even niki's that high sometimes!!! Crazy man. I love the low alt fights.. a pony on offense,. an fm2 on defense... that's fun!!! (for me)
Hope others are finding ways to have fun.. I keep getting aggravated.

rshubert · « **Reply #36 on:** June 12, 2003, 12:03:54 AM »

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Originally posted by Urchin
Shubert... I don't think you are on the same level as Lazs is. Honestly. Don't mean it in a mean way or anything.

Urchin, God love ya, I understand. I just disagree. I like the strat game, and probably always will. Yes, I like dogfights. Yes, I like furballs. No, I'm not particularly good at 'em yet. But I don't think that I will ever lose my sense of fun from playing the strat game.

Yes, the map resets and rotates. Yes, usually the country with the most people gets ahead. Yes, yes, yes to all your points.

But they're YOUR opinions. Not mine. I will have fun my way, you have fun your way.

Hey, lassie is more experienced and a better dogfighter than I am. Okay, with that and 65 cents you can get a cup of coffee. That doesn't give him the right to dictate the rules of the game, and that's what he's trying to do. There ain't no seniority system in the help pages, that I can find. And frankly, I have found that many of the "old hand" players just want to use the new guys as the butt of their jokes and as their bait squeakes. Look at the 'senior members' of our community to find those that have permitted the breakdown they are whining about. I'm lucky I found a good group of guys that help me and each other, and actively look for new pilots to mentor. NOTE: THE FOREGOING TEXT WAS A PLUG FOR THE BOPS.

But I do tend to run on...See ya in the MA. And lassie is still a jerk.

Shubie

lazs2 · « **Reply #37 on:** June 12, 2003, 01:33:49 PM »

muck... DMF said it better than I can. I been doing this since dos days and the dogfight NEVER get's boring. Every furball I have ever been in is different than every other one I have been in... the next one will be different yet.. the possibilities are endless.

The flight to the fur is allways the same. the flight home is sometimes as boring as the flight to the fur and sometimes as fun as the fur... it's boring when the fields are over a sector away and you have a 10 minute flight home with no ammo and little fuel... it is fun when you have a 3 minute flight to the safety of your field/ack/buddies with 4 bad guys chasing your shot up, no ammo plane on the deck... I have probly landed planes with every type of damage you can get by now...

close fields are better than air starts or whatever.. you need some distance in order for the fight to develop somewhere in the furball sweet spot... that is either.. midway , or, close enough that either combatant has a chance to disengage and make it home if he is skillful enough... close enough that the deffenders will leave the safety of their ack and the attackers will find the situation to be what the dar bar told em it was when they left. for me that is about 3/4 of a sector.
lazs

muckmaw · « **Reply #38 on:** June 12, 2003, 02:59:21 PM »

Sincere question here:

Why don't the guys who are most vocal about their distaste for the current map set get together and collaborate on a new map?

I would love to design a map, but I simply don't have any free time with 2 jobs. (3 if you count my daughter).

Anyway, I know someone mentioned this to Lazs a little ways back, and I think he said he simply did not know how to do it. Why not hook up with someone of similar interests, and the ability to make the map and make it a collaborative effort?

SlapShot · « **Reply #39 on:** June 12, 2003, 03:17:17 PM »

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Originally posted by muckmaw
Sincere question here:

Why don't the guys who are most vocal about their distaste for the current map set get together and collaborate on a new map?

I would love to design a map, but I simply don't have any free time with 2 jobs. (3 if you count my daughter).

Anyway, I know someone mentioned this to Lazs a little ways back, and I think he said he simply did not know how to do it. Why not hook up with someone of similar interests, and the ability to make the map and make it a collaborative effort?

NoBaddy has heard, he listened, and apparently is trying to do something about it with the next version of Trinity. Hopefully this new version will be the true acid test of large map design, and also be the new template for future MA maps.

Only time will tell ... any predictions - insight NB that you can divulge ?

lazs2 · « **Reply #40 on:** June 13, 2003, 09:52:24 AM »

muck.. ants and grasshoppers... hot rodders and mi... min... minivan owners.. we are the lazy ants and thrill seeking hot rodders... most of us are poor dumb high school dropouts who can't spell computer programer.

It will change.. everything that is unbalaced changes in flight sims (unless you are WB)... HTC is smart. he knows where the money is.. things have simply swung a little too far away from air combat.. they will swing back weather you or I do anything or not but... Nothing we say has any effect... we may come up with an idea from time to time but if HTC hadn't allready thought of it it wouldn't get implemented

I have been credited for changing a lot of things but I know that I have had zero effect on how HTC runs their bussiness but...

you wouldn't deprive me of the simple pleasure of dragging the huberts out of the woodwork would you?

lazs
Public Relations Officer for the BK's

AKcurly · « **Reply #41 on:** June 13, 2003, 10:01:55 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
The fields are too far apart... irf there is a big fur at the end then either you don't know what a fur is or I have missed it every single time. or both.

Lazs, for whatever it's worth, the number of fields is maxed out on AKDesert -- there can be no more fields. Vehicle fields could however be converted to airfields.

curly

Toad · « **Reply #42 on:** June 13, 2003, 10:04:56 AM »

OK, Curly.. how many six-packs is it going to cost us?

I'm ready to chip in!

lazs2 · « **Reply #43 on:** June 13, 2003, 10:06:07 AM »

curly... converting the hundred or so gv fields into airfields would have the same effect as having closer fields right?
lazs

AKcurly · « **Reply #44 on:** June 13, 2003, 10:07:05 AM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Pizza map is killing the fun for me!!! Give me a map w/ bases practically right on top of the other. since I don't fly over 15k usually, I keep getting forced out of areas on the pizza map. I mean.. 15k is HIGH.. and I'm gettin chased out by 25k dudes and their rides... spits... even niki's that high sometimes!!! Crazy man. I love the low alt fights.. a pony on offense,. an fm2 on defense... that's fun!!! (for me)
Hope others are finding ways to have fun.. I keep getting aggravated.

Ahem, wasn't that you and COORS we ran into last night -- 25k? COORS in a spit, you in a pony *ABOVE* COORS and he was at 25k.

As I told Lazs, Steve -- there can be no more fields added to AKDesert - it is maxed out on field count. AKDesert is fairly old now, maybe they changed the editor? Don't think so.

Wabbit submitted a version with the extreme altitudes adjusted. It's not being used. I'm sure HTC has its reasons.

curly