arent we supposed to be giving info to pyro which might be incorperated into the new model? what the hell has F16's and F111's got to do with his request?
Its all very good that you guys know your aerodynamics but please keep things RELEVANT to WW2?
otherwise pyro will not bother reading this thread if it gets filled with irrelevant Flight dynamics. Modern jets dont bear much relation to piston engines.
For me id like to ask pyro if he has factored in the different types of aileron and control mechanisms.
For instance modern stunt aircraft that need stability in lateral and horzontal pitch and roll and yaw control used control rods to connect the joystick/yoke. Only a few WW2 aircraft used this method and the rest used the far less 'crisp' wires and pulleys.
The two aircraft i know of so far that used control rods are the F4U's and the FW190s.
It would seem according to an interveiw i saw with a modern stunt pilot that the control rods give much more precise and instant control.The pulleys and wires systems would also stretch over time and make the fighters lose their crisp handling.
So my question is why do both these aircraft behave almost identically to others when the fact that modern stunt aircraft use control rods clearly points to an added benefit of this method of control.
THe area where we would or should notice this the most is when we have to use fine and delecate control of the aircraft.In vertical climbs as the speed drops off and you allow gravity to pull you over both these aircraft should have a notably better feel to the controls.I would have thought the same thing would be noticable in suustained turning on the limit of stalls.Whereas wire controls would require a slight opersite lock to counter the give in the wires etc the control rod aircraft should have a much more precise feel. How about it pyro? has any of this been factored in?
I know its a small matter but its the small improvements that add up to a superior aircraft. Im not complaining but for the 190 already it has many of its novel features unmodeled. None are major but addded together it soon becomes a rather large chunk of what actually made them special.
For instance in WW2 there were very few aircraft with any form of auto pilot. In AH we all have auto pilot with X,alt X, shift X etc but in WW2 when 190s were introduced it came with one of the first computer autopilots. It handled mixture rates and propellor pitch control among other jobs. This took a lot of load off the pilots mind and allowed him to better concentrate on fighting,Which is what they were there for after all.In AH this clever inovation has no benefit for the 190.Whilst allied pilots were focusing on their engine management it was to the detrement of their SA, not so in AH
It also had an electric fusing sytem for its bombs which could be set whilst inflight by the pilot. This meant timed fused or impact fused bombs allowing for a choice of how the weapon was deployed. This is also irrelevan in AH but was a huge improvement at the time.
The 190 was also supposedly a very stable aircraft at all speeds needing very little trimming.It didnt have adjustable trim because it handled so well they decided to remove tham and use small tabs instead. In AH the 190 needs constant trimming as you increase speed and it also seems to take a longer period to settle from a climb trim to a level trim if you use auto level.Why is this? shouldnt it be very quick to sort out the trim if this aircraft was as good as it seems it was? (plus the control rods mentioned above)
MW50 and GM1 was used by the 190s and these were superb systems.In AH we all have a very similar system of wep for all aircraft but in WW2 many early allied and almost all russian aircraft had no such systems. The La7 for instance had a severe limit on emergency power use.It was a 2 minute limit according to the pilots manual! not so in AH eh?
.The same applies to many aircraft.The fuel for these systems which affected how long you could use them was also a major factor in favour of 190s etc. They carried much larger supplies than even some of the latest allied types.This meant they had advantage in longer protracted fights.As the allied planes ran out of wep or additives the LW aircraft had more left.
This would make a big difference but with AH's wep system its hardly noticable as any advantage, in fact as the weights of the gm1 and mw50 systems is still modelled they actually work against the aircrafts ability.
The seating position on the 190 was distinctly cambered back to allow for greater pilot tollerance of G's because of his seating position and its used in modern fighters in a similar way,I believe P47s also had this tilted or more reclining seating position yet neither aircraft seem to have any advantage in levels where blackout occours in AH.
I know its small things but they do add up to the overall package.Im ok with the way AH is modelled in wep etc but I do feel it doesnt represent the WW2 systems too well and aircraft with metanol and nitrious in real life have little if any advantage in AH over those that didnt back then in RL.Add this to the other 'little' things and soon you have half the innovations wiped out and you get a less than representive model dont you?
Id like to see all aircraft given their full range of benefits that the real aircraft introduced factored into the model. Things like laminar flow wings or the stukas automatic pull out computer etc. OH and of course the bad things too!
109s and 110s had a sliding leading edge slats that could deploy unevenly at certain speeds and would drag the wings one way or the other and throw off the pilots aim or cause premature stalls.
The me262 throttle was an absolute squeak!! if at certain alts you used it without following the rather delicate rules you would get a flame out and you couldnt restart the engine until you got below a certain alt (19k i think it was from memory).Also slamming the throttle open could destroy the engines. In AH you can do whatever you like in the me262 and this doesnt give us the 'feel' of being in a very new and very tricky to fly and dangerous jet.We can fly like maniacs with no penalties.
just my opinion of course but i feel much has been missed out.
