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« Reply #30 on: June 18, 2003, 03:17:32 PM »
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I've got no problem driving with two drinks in me, and that's where I draw the line for myself.  I think a .00 limit would be rediculous.


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Did any of you get that film in Drivers Education (going back to the 70's here, bear with me) called "Two Beer Benny" ?  Basically, it was a film that shows how one or two beers can make you just a tad more agressive in your driving.

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« Reply #31 on: June 18, 2003, 03:30:11 PM »
"one or two beers can make you just a tad more agressive in your driving."

Maybe for you lightweights.  Beer ain't drinkin'.

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« Reply #32 on: June 18, 2003, 03:55:37 PM »
There ya go. Funked downs a fifth of JD before he drives. Don't 'fect him none. That boys a pro!

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« Reply #33 on: June 18, 2003, 04:02:57 PM »
if you get a DUI i say revoke their right to drive for 10 years.

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« Reply #34 on: June 18, 2003, 04:26:10 PM »
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no matter what?

no matter how much you have eaten or not eaten?

no matter how tired/awake you are?

no matter what you may have been doing the past few hours before you drank?

how bout road conditions? weather? time of day?

this is exactly the problem - can't go by that, though we all think so, especially when you are a drinker - I did. So did my brother ...


I'm sorry you were stupid when you drank and could only think in black and white, Eagler.  However, we don't all share that problem.  I do have the ability to gauge other factors into my decision and if, when I'm ready to go home, I think I'm not prepared to drive ... I don't.  And yes, after two drinks I do still have the ability to think rationally whether my stomach was empty or full - and if I was overly tired, chances are I'd have a Dr Pepper because booze would prolly put me to sleep.


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« Reply #35 on: June 18, 2003, 04:28:40 PM »
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Did any of you get that film in Drivers Education (going back to the 70's here, bear with me) called "Two Beer Benny" ?  Basically, it was a film that shows how one or two beers can make you just a tad more agressive in your driving.


The only safety movies I remember from school were from Jr High, about being safe around trains.  Salem has tracks running basically right through the center of town ... and they ran between the Jr High and High School too.  And remember kids, playing around trains is no laughing matter!  :)


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« Reply #36 on: June 18, 2003, 04:44:02 PM »
We had "Red Asphalt"

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« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2003, 07:20:29 PM »
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I'm sorry you were stupid when you drank and could only think in black and white, Eagler.  However, we don't all share that problem.  I do have the ability to gauge other factors into my decision and if, when I'm ready to go home, I think I'm not prepared to drive ... I don't.  And yes, after two drinks I do still have the ability to think rationally whether my stomach was empty or full - and if I was overly tired, chances are I'd have a Dr Pepper because booze would prolly put me to sleep.


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yeah, right - stupid :rolleyes:

forgot to mention body mass - two drinks would affect someone half your size, say 150 lbs, much more

two drinks = two hours of non-drinkin b4 you get behind the wheel - sure everyone follows that rule too ....
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« Reply #38 on: June 18, 2003, 07:43:59 PM »
Yeah, drinking too much and then driving is stupid.  I thought we agreed on that point.  The point I don't agree with is having this particular freedom taken away from me.  And the law is not based on how many drinks one consumes, but on one's BAC.  So, just what in the heck are you arguing about here?  If two drinks makes someone too loopy to drive, they shouldn't drive, and if it brings them to .08 BAC then it's against the law (depending on their state).  So...?


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« Reply #39 on: June 18, 2003, 07:58:50 PM »
You take away from the tragedy when you try to make a statement about it.

1)  The person that caused this was simply an idiot.
2)  Argue blood alchohol limits all you want, this person exceded it
3)  Stop trying to use idiots as examples for the rest of the world.

I'm very sorry that some people are simply too stupid to stay allive on this planet.  I'm equally sorry that they usually take someone with them when they go.  It is always a tragedy when it happens.

Unfortunately, no law in the world will prevent idiots from being idiots.  Its quite simply a fact.  To deny this is to deny human nature.

The drunk driving laws are there to help keep those on the border honest... not to prevent this type of thing from happening.

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« Reply #40 on: June 18, 2003, 07:59:15 PM »
from govt reports , it takes an avg man 4 drinks per hour to reach 1.0 bac. so even if you chuged down 2 beers you could not hit 1.0

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« Reply #41 on: June 18, 2003, 08:42:26 PM »
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Yeah, drinking too much and then driving is stupid.  I thought we agreed on that point.  The point I don't agree with is having this particular freedom taken away from me.  And the law is not based on how many drinks one consumes, but on one's BAC.  So, just what in the heck are you arguing about here?  If two drinks makes someone too loopy to drive, they shouldn't drive, and if it brings them to .08 BAC then it's against the law (depending on their state).  So...?


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"discussing" the fact that once someone starts to drink -many/most of the time he/she is not able to make a fair judgement of their ability to drive...and thus should not be allowed behind the wheel.

even if you don't "feel" it - it's still proven to affect your reaction time. 99% of the time they get away with it, but right situation where lightning reflexes, thinking just a hair clearer could have avoided an accident - he/she wouldn't be able to pull it off... seen it, lived it, think about it everyday...

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« Reply #42 on: June 18, 2003, 08:45:21 PM »
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from govt reports , it takes an avg man 4 drinks per hour to reach 1.0 bac. so even if you chuged down 2 beers you could not hit 1.0


thinkin is flawed here

4 drinks an hour is one every 15 minutes ... you are talking about 2 drinks/beers in about 60 seconds .... on an empty stomach I'd bet you'd reach toxication levels for a short period of time..
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« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2003, 09:07:30 PM »
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"discussing" the fact that once someone starts to drink -many/most of the time he/she is not able to make a fair judgement of their ability to drive...and thus should not be allowed behind the wheel.

even if you don't "feel" it - it's still proven to affect your reaction time. 99% of the time they get away with it, but right situation where lightning reflexes, thinking just a hair clearer could have avoided an accident - he/she wouldn't be able to pull it off... seen it, lived it, think about it everyday...

drive safe - drive sober


Ahh, I see.  So, unless I got a good 8 hours of sleep, haven't had any alcohol, illicit drug, over-the-counter or prescription drug that might make me drowsy, don't have my mind on other things, have my passengers buckled in with their mouths duct taped shut, and have no thoughts of looking anywhere but at the road ahead of me (forget my gauges), etc... I shouldn't drive.  That sounds reasonable.


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« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2003, 10:06:57 PM »
Going to wade in here for just a short time. I spent some time in the DUI squad when on the department.

First thing is that most (if not all, I simply do not know) state statutes regarding DUI have an impairment clause. Impairment does not hinge on a BAC of .08, .10 or even .38% Blood / alcohol content (BAC). Impairment simply notes that if your performance is impaired you are not fit to drive. For some folks, that can be as low as .02% due to genetics and tolerance. A person drinking for the first time has a lower tolerance than an alcoholic.

A BAC level of .08, .10 or whatever is a LEGAL finding written into the code. This legal finding states that there is a PRESUMPTION  of intoxication if your BAC is that level. In other words you are considered to be "legally drunk", which is in fact illegal when driving. :p

A lower BAC does NOT mean you are not impaired by that level of alcohol and hence you can still be driving "drunk" UNDER  .08%.

In Arizona, if you are impaired to the SLIGHTEST DEGREE  then you are guilty of driving while impaired (drunk driving if you will) and desreve to lose your driving priveledges and have other sundry sentences levied on you.

Field sobriety tests are used to determine if you are impaired. A breathalyzer or other test is used to determine how much alcohol you have in your system. The impairment also applies to drug usage. This leads to the change in the title of the charge to be driving while under the influence of intoxicating liquor OR drugs. There is no diferentiation between legal or illegal drugs. If you are impaired you should not be driving. PERIOD.

Several medical factors also determine how impaired a person is at any given time. Factors such as fatigue, combination of medications, genetics, food intake, tolerance etc. all combine for each individual to determine a certain point where they would be impaired. These can change a persons tollerance to a couple drinks (the usual amount admitted to) to be very devastating to their ability to drive.

That sad fact of life, is that a significant portion of collisions ( I refuse to call them accidents) are due to impaired drivers. An even sadder fact is that they often kill someone besides themselves while impaired. It wouldn't e so bad if it was just the damn drunk that got injured or killed.

You can believe what you want but you had better believe that there are TONS of drunk drivers out there every day. It may come to pass that you might meet one of them and you just might not be able to do a damn thing about it either.

Yes I have been hit by a drunk driver. Fortunately I was lucky and got out of it with a wrecked motorcycle (with less than 500 miles on it) and some bruises.

There ain't no such thing as a "safe" driving drunk or drugged person.
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