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Offline bustr

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Shane: Gunnery Question????
« on: June 18, 2003, 06:48:22 PM »
Shane I'm having some problems with LA7 gunnery. I'm inconsistant from day to day. Some days I hit everything I aim at. some days 50-50 at best. Some days everything I did for the last 2 days went out the window.

1. How long are your bursts? I attempt to conserve my rounds since the load is small. I try not to do long lead in bursts to track by.

2. When you are firing at a target crossing in front of you, how high over their hood are you aiming and how long is your burst?

3. I've set the .target xxx out to 500 and hit dead center without any elevation, just reticle on the x ring. But this is not so in combat, I find in a dead aft 6 shot from 300 and less I have to add a bit of elevation, even spray a little to feel for sprites. What gives here? Whay can't I set the reticle on his rudder and shoot it off?

4. I've flown on your wing and watched you shoot. From your con's 6 you are very steady and your burst is dead on. From quarter angles and crossing angles you seem to know where to place your rounds for the con to fly through rather then track and catch up to them.

I find at times I'm seeing the shot but I'm snapping the reticle to where I want to shoot and the con has just moved as my rounds stream by. When I actually hit the con I'm steady and the con looks more like he moved into the rounds for me or just sat still and blew up,,broke to peices etc....

I use a single dot as my reticle. Tracers are on but I rarely am aware of them under 600d. In real life at 200yds I can put 5 rounds 'X' ring with my Garand and M1A with peep sites. This game is not real life when it comes to firearms.

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Shane: Gunnery Question????
« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2003, 12:36:26 AM »
1.  i try and keep them fairly short.. often too short and i need another burst or 2 to finish the job... the closer in the less you need to send if they hit tight. i can get an avg of 5-6 kills a sortie with 10-12%... i'm no marksman by any means. i take a fair amount of low percentage shots that seem to work for me... over time your ability to predict what the other plane is going to do will help you get those shots.

2. never really paid much attention and course course many variables such as distance, speed, angle... based on what i think is your situation... it really depends on amount of g's being pulled and it's really by "feel"  you shoot as much as i do you're bound to acquire some little extra feel.

3. in combat both planes are manuvering even the slightest motion can throw your aim off. even in a dead 6 chase, both are stressed and making little adjustments. i've never been able to totally eliminate all nose wobble for a dead accurate and "stick to it" placement.

4. again this is experience in the deflection shots. i used to fly a pony and would pull lead.. but you can't do that with the short la7 clip.  after a time in the pony i wouldn't waste as much ammo pulling thru to the lead.  a good way to give ur gunnery a boost woul dbe to fly something with a decent clip... like a pony... turn tracers off.. and for about 1-2 weeks do that, then go back to tarcers on and you'll see a noticable improvement in both hit% and "feel" for deflection.  then go back to the la7...


some of what you've remarked upon is due to simple net lag.. over all it averages itself out.


i use a single dot as well, but one size larger... never really pay attn to them much beyond seeing hit sprites or misses... no idea at what range they register in view while in combat...

an airplane is a fairly instable gun platform.. be  happy we don't have to deal with recoil effects, jams, wind, ... etc etc  and the fact that the ballistics modeling is assuredly not perfect... but all in all it works out where people have enough success to keep playing.

the biggest difference in my gunnery (not flying style) was upgrading my pc from a 333 p2 where i'd get maybe an avg of 15-30 fps depending and had 7% gunnery or so... to a nice new p4 2.66 and damn fine vid card getting a steady 65-85 fps... gunnery jumped up to 11-12%.  and in an la7 that makes a difference.

it boils down to time at the stick... i still flub shots and get amazing lucky ones...

i'll sort thru some films i guess and find a few to post at furballcentral.com with a variety of gunnery situations.
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Shane: Gunnery Question????
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2003, 12:51:08 PM »
Shane, thank you for sharing. I get impatient with heavy iron because it takes for ever getting to alt. But in this case since I want to improve my shooting skills I'll fly a pony for the next couple of weeks with tracers off.

Another LA7 tactical question: I took on another spit, this time I implemented a combination of run outs and turn backs along with sudden vertical at 800-1200 HO. We wound up in a big cork screw climbing scissors turning to the right, I stayed above him. He broke and went for the deck. I thought I could stay high follow him around, I was 2k above as I was turning. As I dove on him he pulled straight up and I swear those Hispanios clocked me HO from 900 below me.

Chances are our separation was 2000 at a 45deg when I looked down and I may have been floating just above a stall when I nosed down on him. This encounter prompted my gunnery question. During the 1st and 2nd 3rds of our engagement I had many good snap shot opportunities. And I was missing.

I guess the overall on this is, I should have followed him down to keep E and not stay high thinking I would dictate the engagement by a superior position.
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Shane: Gunnery Question????
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2003, 01:12:46 PM »
always... always... well, almost always... keep being the aggressor...keep pressing,  don't give them a chance to even think about being able to equalize things and think they might have a chance to go offensive.

and of course, keep your head on a swivel. and remember not all kills are setup on the other guy's 6.
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I'm not perfect, but I am closer to it than you are.
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