Author Topic: Ever see a fighter with whitewalls? (Read 1396 times)

Frodo · « **on:** June 18, 2003, 07:56:07 PM »

http://members.sparedollar.com/proffers/hoferthen.jpg

This P51 belonged to Kidd Hofer.

Frodo

Pongo · « **Reply #1 on:** June 18, 2003, 11:14:52 PM »

Yes it was common in the Med.

Frodo · « **Reply #2 on:** June 19, 2003, 12:15:38 AM »

I didn't know that.Any reason behind it other than,whitewalls were cool ?

Heat related?

Frodo

MiloMorai · « **Reply #3 on:** June 19, 2003, 01:13:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Frodo
I didn't know that.Any reason behind it other than,whitewalls were cool ?

Heat related?

Frodo

That's the word 'cool'.

It tended to keep the tire temperature down.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #4 on:** June 19, 2003, 01:18:52 AM »

Yea but the LW even had whitewall tailwheels..

Duedel · « **Reply #5 on:** June 19, 2003, 05:53:17 AM »

Nope thats not true Grunherz. LW had leather wheels!

Frodo · « **Reply #6 on:** June 19, 2003, 08:10:16 PM »

The P51 in the link above was an ETO bird.

Frodo

ergRTC · « **Reply #7 on:** June 20, 2003, 11:34:20 AM »

not sure if it would cool the wheels any. Doesnt black release heat easier? (it absorbs infrared faster but that is irrelevant).

Shiva · « **Reply #8 on:** June 20, 2003, 10:20:56 PM »

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Originally posted by ergRTC
not sure if it would cool the wheels any. Doesnt black release heat easier? (it absorbs infrared faster but that is irrelevant).

Black absorbs all ambient radiation better. The tread area is black because the formulation for durability can't be done with white rubber; that's why you never saw many all-white tires -- they didn't stand up to wear as well.

ergRTC · « **Reply #9 on:** June 21, 2003, 08:39:48 AM »

Yes but releases it faster as well. That is my point.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #10 on:** June 25, 2003, 04:59:45 AM »

BTW Erich Hartmann shot down that very P51 killing Hofer...

MiloMorai · « **Reply #11 on:** June 25, 2003, 08:10:31 AM »

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Originally posted by ergRTC
Yes but releases it faster as well. That is my point.

One sees Arab women wearing black clothing in temperatures over 30*C. Is this cultural or because it radiats heat better?

ergRTC · « **Reply #12 on:** June 25, 2003, 02:22:53 PM »

All of these questions and no answers!

Pongo · « **Reply #13 on:** June 25, 2003, 03:05:50 PM »

my understanding is that white tires do not degrade as fast in the sun. Even to the point of painting them white. The side walls are thiner and probably degrade quicker then the treads would any way.
As to muslim woman, i would not be at all suprised if it is to lower thier value in regards to men.

Frodo · « **Reply #14 on:** June 25, 2003, 11:14:55 PM »

Grun that was a thought possible,but has since been disproven.Although Hartmann was credited with 2 P51's the same day I believe.His kills were at high alt.and in a different area.

Another pilot was flying the Kidd's plane and tangled with some LW.One of the LW pilots reported fighting with a P51 with a boxing mule as nose art.Not sure if the guy flying the Kidd's plane survived this encounter as well as the Kidds plane.

The Kidd was flying a different plane when he was killed strafing a field that had been upgraded with extra A/A units.He was all alone on the deck as usual.There have been documents of the German and Yugoslavian army uncovered recently that prove this.The documents are very convincing and laid in storage for years.The U.S.Military recovered the Kidds remains in the 50's and buried them in Jefferson Barracks Cemetary in St.Louis.If you get a chance to read this book do so.It lays everything out and is a great insight into what made this guy tick.One of a kind!:D Here is the link.

http://www.starduststudios.com/new.htm

It seems the U.S. military simply passed on trying to find out what happened to the Kidd.I am sure they were very busy trying to tie all the loose ends at the end of the war,but they did not even try.I don't believe they had any interest in glorifying such a maverick pilot such as the Kidd.It went against the propaganda of the well disciplined U.S. Military.

Also the Kidd's gunnery instructor was Buzz Beurling.It is apparent that the Kidd was influenced by this other famous maverick pilot.If you know Beurling's story you will see what I mean.

Frodo