New Test Arena

[Sixpence]

Was hoping to get some kinda "rules" into this arena. I went in to test the map and was testing an amphipious assault on 85. I called out several times that I was testing at 85 , yet a pilot kept Tryin to shoot me down(plane or ltv). He said sorry the first time, but did it again. I didn't shoot at him, and tried to go about my business(he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn if he was standing inside it), but he got into a shore battery and popped my ltv. That's when I decided to call it quits and leave the arena. Now there were other pilots who came to that field, but they left as soon as I asked if they could leave me alone and test the field. This one came along and didn't.

I don't see how shooting each other down tests the arena(maybe i'm wrong), so maybe we can have training arena rules?

WTG on the map, I hear it was BK's? Well done.

[Ack-Ack]

Some guy did that to me 6 times today in the testing arena while I was regressing some bugs I had found last night.

I gave out a warning as I took off and as I approached the enemy base and even warned the guy (DogW6 or something like that) as he was making his pass, so I had to shoot him down in self-defense because he wouldn't let me finish what I was testing.  He did it five more times and died each time for his effort.  He even started to hunt me down in the test arena until he got sick of being shot down and finally left.  Funny thing is I got yelled at by the rest of the arena for dogfighting when I was only engaging in self-defense.


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[Zanth]

Perhaps onc eyou have the map downloaded you can test it more safely offline.  You can be reasonably certain you will be left alone then.   I think though in any online area you are subject to the whims and interaction of other players, and I am not sure that is wrong.

[meddog]

I added up the total number of bases and it seems we are 1 base short.  At last count there are a total of 254 bases which does not divide evenly by 3.  I assume it was designed so that each country would have 85 bases.  If that were the case, the total  number of bases should be 255.  Doh

[rod367th]

well was in test all day, don't remember anyone yelling at you akak remember u saying i'm only shooting in self defence. all I saw was about 4 or 5 guys came in shot down guys testing then when everyone told them wrong they logged, For the most part I think testing was done well by nits bish and rooks, Was great team effort by all sides.


 Everyone that tested was great for me to see everyone trying to help get map fix. I even had nits escorting me to kill there HQ................




 I do think I said to you akak don't kill testers, when u landed a 3 kill sortie then you told me you were just killing in selfdefence. And I did see u on open channel telling him to stop.

[Sixpence]

Originally posted by Zanth
1.)Perhaps onc eyou have the map downloaded you can test it more safely offline.  You can be reasonably certain you will be left alone then. 2)  I think though in any online area you are subject to the whims and interaction of other players, and I am not sure that is wrong.

1. Sure, but it would be alot quicker to have 10, 15, 20 people test the map. Have you seen the size of it? I figured if everyone worked together in the test arena, you could capture the whole arena by each side in a few days.

2. We have a training arena that has rules you have to abide by. It is a sticky when you enter(message). The problem with the test arena is there are no rules, so the pilot in question is not doing anything wrong.He can play dumb and get away with it(although, I don't think he was playing dumb;) ).

The bottom line is that it is a test arena. And if you can't test the map, what good is it? I hope they test CT and event maps in here too. I'm not good at making terrain, so I appreciate the efforts of others to build maps for the arenas, they contribute to the community immensely. We should help them out, cause, in the end, it helps all of us out with new maps for the MA, CT, and SEA arenas.

I didn't name the pilot, but it was not ack-ack in this instance(to avoid confusion with other replies).

[Sixpence]

Well, went into the arena. Had a pilot named Drano get airborne and interfere, starting saying he was testing the map by shooting me down(Drano must be latin for arse). Called Roy, he said he was taking the arena down anyway because the map had been cleared to be launched in the MA. I asked him if they would keep testing maps in a seperate arena, he said he wasn't sure. If people like Drano are going to cause problems in a test arena, we probably won't have one. That was my last gasp at a game i'm pretty bored with. No need for people to be like that. Account purged, maybe see you in AH2. Good luck.

[Drano]

Originally posted by Sixpence
Well, went into the arena. Had a pilot named Drano get airborne and interfere, starting saying he was testing the map by shooting me down(Drano must be latin for arse). Called Roy, he said he was taking the arena down anyway because the map had been cleared to be launched in the MA. I asked him if they would keep testing maps in a seperate arena, he said he wasn't sure. If people like Drano are going to cause problems in a test arena, we probably won't have one. That was my last gasp at a game i'm pretty bored with. No need for people to be like that. Account purged, maybe see you in AH2. Good luck.

Dude, if shooting at planes was going to be a problem in testing the map then why doesn't the MOTD (you know, that little thingy that comes up on everyone's screen as they enter ANY of the arenas in AH)-reflect that? Seems like a simple enough task to add a line to that stating that planes NOT be shot at or engaged. All I saw was a line saying that perks and points earned in that arena wouldn't count in your general score. (as if points mean anything anyway) If you're so tight with the CM staff I'd like to recommend passing that little tidbit along. Something as simple as that might just have avoided our little encounter. Barring that I saw you as fair game.

As to my "interfering" I saw nothing that said I couldn't do what I did. No MOTD message, blank text buffer. No definition as to what the testing was or how it was to be accomplished. That was either YOUR oversight or whoever set up the arena. In the future I'd suggest taking the map to a H2H area and closing the door behind those testing it. If you put a test map up on the public server with no warning, no explanation and no rules of engagement don't get all flabbergasted when someone wanders in and starts "testing" it out--which is what I did after downloading it.

Far as I could see we had one guy attempting to milk a town with a single F6F. That musta been you. I shot you down and you threw a tantrum worthy of any 5 year old. And *I'm* the one with issues LOL! Get over it already.

        Drano

[Silat]

Originally posted by Sixpence
(he couldn't hit the broad side of a barn if he was standing inside it), but he got into a shore battery and popped my ltv. .

Hmmmm... Sounds like he hit more than the broadside of a barn to get you so upset.
As far as I know bullets are still supplied in the arena you were in. And I cant find any rules about not shooting the enemy down.

                             

[Saintaw]

Originally posted by Sixpence
Drano must be latin for arse

lol

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by Silat
Hmmmm... Sounds like he hit more than the broadside of a barn to get you so upset.
As far as I know bullets are still supplied in the arena you were in. And I cant find any rules about not shooting the enemy down.

                             

Actually Skuzzy came in and announced in the testing arena not to engage anyone that asked to be left alone so they can do some testing.  Dogfighting was allowed but only between consenting players.

As for testing it offline like Zanth suggested, unfortunately, somethings can only be tested online to make sure the host isn't bugged as well.


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[Drano]

Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Actually Skuzzy came in and announced in the testing arena not to engage anyone that asked to be left alone so they can do some testing.  Dogfighting was allowed but only between consenting players.




Which is perfectly fine regarding the players that happened to be in the arena at that particular moment. I wasn't one of them. Changing the MOTD to reflect some sort of rules of engagement or maybe even asking for some volunteers to help out was most definitely in order here. Just throwing the map up on the public server was IMO incredibly stupid and was just asking for trouble. And its not like I have some sort of rep as a trouble maker. In fact, I've tested more than a couple terrains in my time in flight sims. Strangely, when I did it they were always found on an alternative server. That way what was meant to be tested and how it was to be tested was tested by those--and only by those--expected to do the testing. Testing needs contol to be done right. There was no control here and that's a no brainer. Sorry, but somebody dropped the ball on that one.






As for testing it offline like Zanth suggested, unfortunately, somethings can only be tested online to make sure the host isn't bugged as well.





Is the H2H host coded differently than the main host? Couldn't the testing have been done in there where the numbers could have been controlled and password protected? Surely there's some sort of alternate host HTC could set up strictly for testing purposes. I'd be willing to bet there's one set up somewhere right now for AH2.

         Drano


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[TracerX]

No sixpence, don't go!!!

Hang around and fly with us in the Friday night TOD's at least.

I know sixpence, and he is a great guy to fly with.  I can sence his frustration since both times he tried to log on and capture a base, or test the dammage model which has been in question, he was engaged by another enemy.  He does point out the obvious however, the reason the map is in testing is not to test the air to air combat, it is stuff relating to the map terrain.  People who want to engage enemy fighters should go to the CT or DA if they don't like the MA.  It would be nice to have a MOTD like Drano said, to make this clear since not everyone is blessed with a full portion of general courtesy.

[tatertot]

six dont go man stay theres dweebs all over the game man just gotta learn to ignore. you need to come home were you belong man loved to fly with you again think about it!!!

[Ack-Ack]

If a guy is going to leave because someone shot him down, then I say goodbye.  The guy was just looking for an excuse to leave and unfortunately for him, he picked the lamest excuse for his exit.


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