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Brick

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« on: August 26, 1999, 12:16:00 PM »
Since Mr. Hitech is involved (apparently) in this story, I thought I'd throw up the link here:
 http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/21414.html

I can't fault either company for trying to protect themselves here.  Then again, it's interesting to see how much hoopla is stirred up over one Finnish Dude(tm).  

Andy
(So poor he can't afford FreeHost)  

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« Reply #1 on: August 26, 1999, 01:54:00 PM »
Ya sure a hot subject, but I can see why.

I can definately see HiTech and the others point. If the money dissappears from online sims such as WB or AH (a free host would mean no $ per hour customers) their will be finacial incentive to produce, update or support online games. Though we all may really dig flying 80 hours a week for free (debatable weather this would be a  good thing or not...hehe) we would kill any WB support or developement. Wanna see a next generation WW2 sim like AH? Well we had better pay then. Its all economics! Besides you wives probably wouldn't let ya fly 80 hours a week anyway....lol  

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Brick

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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 1999, 03:42:00 PM »
Sheesh...you ain't kiddin.  Even when I was flying (for a short time) with VF-17 at 1am Hawaii time, it was "Are you playing that airplane game AGAIN?"

hahahahaha.  Thankfully she's pretty tollerant compared to some of the folks I've heard about here and on AGW!

Andy

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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 1999, 06:40:00 PM »
It just seems to me the companies involved here would do best to use their time and resources to work on their code to prevent future incidents like this from occurring, instead of wasting them on litigation.  Litigation tends to be a time and money consuming exploit, especially in international cases; not in the best interest of smaller companies.

There is always going to be code-theft, hacking, cracking, etc.  Most software companies know this, and realize it is part of doing business.  The companies would be best served to create methods of thwarting would-be culprits however, instead of sueing them after the fact.

I suspect a fair amount of saber-rattling as intimidation too here; a cheap and easy way to get a lot of the users to back down.

My analogy is say you owned a store that was robbed.  Would you put money into sueing the guy who robbed you, or would you be better served by buying and installing security systems in your store to prevent that guy or the next guy from ripping you off again?  If you sued the guy who robbed you, you might recoupe your initial losses, but you can almost bet there's another guy waiting in line to do the same thing to you.

In fact, I was robbed once myself.  Someone stole a CD player out of my unlocked car in my garage.  Sure it pissed me off, but instead of wasting time and energy chasing the culprits, I opted to prevent the next guy from doing it to me again.  I cut my losses; wrote off the CD player, installed an alarm, and put in another CD player, and made sure my doors were locked.  Since then I haven't had any problems.

It's a cruel world...

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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 1999, 10:46:00 AM »
"I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on TV"

A couple of points for Cuff.

First:
It would be good if the software companies spent a little more time on prevention. However... (you knew that was coming    ) it's a general rule of thumb that the more secure your data, the longer it takes to use it. When you are programming a high-speed internet game, it a trade off between speed and security. Things are going to get better as bandwidth and machine speed improves, but its always going to effect the throughput.

Second:
As I understand it, not defending your trade mark, Intellectual property, etc, is tantamount to giving them up. If you don’t defend the small ones, you give up your right to defend when a big one comes up.

P.S.
I’m betting that if you were surfing the web and came across a site selling “Cuff's CD player, Now FREE!” You’d do you best to get it back or take legal action against the guy that took it.    


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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 1999, 11:54:00 AM »
Freehost is theft.

Anyone who uses freehost online is actively
participating in theft.

Itmo designed a program that steals.
Consequently, he is a crook and should be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible under Finnish law.

Anyone who dares to defend freehost must first and foremost acknowledge the fact that he/she is a thief and is not worth listening to in the first place.

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 1999, 12:11:00 PM »
Yeagar is a demagogue.

Anyone who listens to him is actively
participating in propaganda.

Yeagar designed a email that offends.
Consequently, he is a demagogue and should be ignored to the maximum extent possible under any law.

Anyone who dares to defend Yeagar must first and foremost acknowledge the fact that he/she is a demagogue and is not worth listening to in the first place.

-bigred
(p.s. i think freehost is CRAP but your post's tone is EVEN MORE OFFENSIVE)


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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 1999, 12:13:00 PM »
I made my point.

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Brick

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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 1999, 12:23:00 PM »
Ooh!  A good ole fashioned witch hunt!  "You *SOUND* guilty, so therefore you MUST be!"  Burn him!


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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 1999, 01:28:00 PM »
Alright everybody, calm down....

Geez im NOT defending freehost, but this dabate has nothing to do with "lawfullness or morality" concerning freehost...

Its a hack, its also inevitable and this type of "disease" will afflict EVERY online game ever made.

If anything its only going to spur the developers to design games that truly offer a stimulating longterm gameing experience that CANT be replicated by some yokel-server off in the ukraine.

I an anxously waiting for both AH /Ien/Playnet to all put serious thought into the strat/longterm goals/benefit structures of their products to make sure that any future "freehost" will wither and die on the vine as fast as they are created. (whew...thats a run-on sentence)

In the longrun, it only HELPS us as players that this type of threat is addressed now and not later.

-bigred
no hard feeling yeagar  

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« Reply #10 on: August 27, 1999, 05:06:00 PM »
 I want to state right off the bat that I was really tempted to try FreeHost.
 I even took the time to download it.
  Gasp!!!!
 Have I used it? NO
 What changed my mind was Hitechs discussions about the use of freehost and that it was stealing 4 years of his work. Curiosity tempted me into trying it, and reasoning talked me out of it. I personally think that if anyone wants to really preach about the evils of FreeHost, they should just repost some of the comments HT has made.
 Calling down evil on some who may be using it are only just firming up trenches on both sides. Curiosity and interesting features of FreeHost may be the reason why some are using it now....instead of anger getting in the way, lets try being reasonable with each other instead of having a flamefest.

-ping- dons his asbestos suit.

Flame away!
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« Reply #11 on: August 27, 1999, 10:52:00 PM »
OTOH....what if you save your version of FreeHo$t somewhere in your hard drive and wait for the faitful day when whoever owns the pay-for-play version of warbirds calls it quits and pulls the plug on the server for good....?

You may now be able to run Warbirds forever....despite what the legitamate owners decide to do with it. You might even say that FreeHo$t immortalized Warbirds and has the chance of keeping it alive for a longer period than a tenous pay-for-play investment scheme.

Anyone seen/played Steel Panthers WWII ? Releasing the game to the creativeness and endless energy and resources of the user base keeps it thriving.

It might be awesome to see what the sim is like in 5 to 10 years.......

Note: I am not now nor have I ever been a FreeHo$t user/owner. I do not agree with or condone stealing/cheating or hacking/reverse engineering. SO GET THEM TORCHES AWAY FROM ME, YOU PRIMITIVE SCREW_HEADS****

**** Phrase "primitive screw-heads" taken without permission from the movie "Army of Darkness".


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« Reply #12 on: August 28, 1999, 02:30:00 AM »
"This... is my BOOM stick!"  hahahahah    Love that flick!

-Andy
(with another totally irrelevant post)

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« Reply #13 on: August 28, 1999, 02:54:00 PM »
   
I've keep my mouth shut on FH till now. At 1st I was impressed by what im-Whatever did.

Well I've had a BIG change of heart. FREEHOST MUST DIE PERIOD. It a threat to WB's, AH, and Playnet. Nuff said.

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« Reply #14 on: August 29, 1999, 01:23:00 PM »
--- Yeager: ---
Consequently, he is a crook and should be prosecuted to the maximum extent possible under Finnish law.
--- End ---

Let's just post all these funny posts, when with a very good possibility what itmo did was not illegal at all in Finland. You have already convicted him as guilty with out knowing the laws, now that is smart.


//fats