Author Topic: Boroda, what's the deal with... (Read 929 times)

sshh · « **Reply #15 on:** June 22, 2003, 03:53:41 AM »

Theres some longer story in russian answering miko's question here : http://www.mk.ru/numbers/374/article12751.htm I'm sure A. Hinshtein made up half of that to make it more entertaining for readers. I think it perfectly makes sense - he was not protesting against Soviet "regime". He inflicted damage to the intelligence/security of Russia/USSR. He had chance but was not smart enough to stop playing this game.

GrimCO · « **Reply #16 on:** June 22, 2003, 09:07:08 AM »

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The main reason to sentence Julius and obviously innocent Ethel to death was that they gave "nuclear secrets" to Soviets, that they were absolutely unable to do...

Try to read something about that tragic story.

Many Soviet intelligence officers admitted that Rosenbergs were indeed working for USSR, but Service of External Intelligence officials never made any comments about it.

Nothing tragic about it. They were spies for the Communists, and knew the consequences of their actions if they were caught. Even "innocent" Ethel was aware of this.

Martlet · « **Reply #17 on:** June 22, 2003, 11:17:38 AM »

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Nothing tragic about it. They were spies for the Communists, and knew the consequences of their actions if they were caught. Even "innocent" Ethel was aware of this.

exactly

Boroda · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2003, 01:18:31 PM »

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Nothing tragic about it. They were spies for the Communists, and knew the consequences of their actions if they were caught. Even "innocent" Ethel was aware of this.

OK, killing innocent women is fine for Western "democracies"...

OMG. I want to go back to good old USSR

Martlet · « **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2003, 01:29:44 PM »

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OK, killing innocent women is fine for Western "democracies"...

OMG. I want to go back to good old USSR

No you don't, you can't pirate software here.

Boroda · « **Reply #20 on:** June 22, 2003, 01:38:17 PM »

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No you don't, you can't pirate software here.

Forgive me my poor knowledge of English, but I "don't" what? Want to go back to good old USSR?!

To Miko and SSHH:

Áëÿ, íó è ìóäàê... Ïðîñòî ìè÷óðèíñêèé ñîðò îëèãîôðåíà. Èõ òàêèõ ñïåöèàëüíî âûâîäÿò? Îí æå êðó÷å îáðàçöîâîãî ñòðîèòåëÿ êîììóíèçìà... Èì "ðàçóì" äàë ñòàëüíûå ðóêè-êðþêè, è âìåñòî ñåðäöà - ïëàìåííûé ïèçäåö...

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #21 on:** June 22, 2003, 05:04:58 PM »

Boroda your sensitivity and outrage to the execution of the communist traitor Rosenbergs is indeeed deeply touching. I think I'll bring it up from now on every time you praise Stalin as you are so fond of doing - just to remind everyone of what a two faced lying brainwashed sack of horsemanure you are.

Have a nice day comrade... And go f u c k yourself!

straffo · « **Reply #22 on:** June 22, 2003, 05:10:06 PM »

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No you don't, you can't pirate software here.

what are you speaking about ?

miko2d · « **Reply #23 on:** June 22, 2003, 09:23:54 PM »

OK, I see that there is no way to get an idea about that case. Russian intelligence claims that he was an employee in good standing untill 1997 and guilty of betraying Hanssen. Of course russian intelligence was known to stretch the truth no worse than western press.

Anyway, Boroda, apparently you have no idea what "freedom" means and are still thinking with communist cliches - like most americans, especially both ruling parties, so you have a good company here - if you imply that sold-out press cannot be free.
The whole point of freedom is being able to sell your property or services to whomever you want at whatever price you want. If you can sell out, you are free. If you cannot sell out - need someone's permission, it means you are not free. Which we are not in many respects but you can still open a newspaper here and print whatever you want.

Anyway, that's a philosophical question.

miko

Boroda · « **Reply #24 on:** June 23, 2003, 04:27:22 AM »

If he's a rat who betrayed Hanssen - I really think he should get at least twice as much as what Hanssen was sentenced to...

Miko, here's the book i mentioned is here:

http://www1.ozon.ru/?context=detail&id=98726

Òû çðÿ äóìàåøü ÷òî ÿ òàêîé áîëüøîé ïîêëîííèê êîììóíèñòîâ. Ïðîñòî ÿ ñìîòðþ íà ìåñòíóþ ïóáëèêó, êîòîðàÿ â áîëüøèíñòâå ñâî¸ì ñ÷èòàåò ÷òî ñåðï è ìîëîò ýòî íàöèîíàëüíîå ðóññêîå îðóæèå, è ïîëó÷àþ óäîâîëüñòâèå îò èõ ðåàêöèè

Çàïîâåäíèê äðåìó÷åãî èäèîòèçìà

Îñîáåííî ðàäóåò îòíîøåíèå ê ðóññêîìó Ôðèõîñòó (âââ.âáôðè.íåò). Ìû îêàçûâàåòñÿ âîðü¸ è ïîäîíêè ïîòîìó ÷òî äåëàåì ÷òî-òî áåñïëàòíî.

À ÷òî äî ñâîáîäû - ÿ ñ òîáîé ïîëíîñòüþ ñîãëàñåí, òîëüêî âîò äåêëàðèðóåìàÿ "ñâîáîäà ñëîâà" íà ìîé âçãëÿä íå áîëåå ÷åì õèìåðà, îäèí èç ëîçãóíîâ ñðîäíè ïðàâàì, çàÿâëåííûì â ñîâåòñêîé êîíñòèòóöèè... Îò äåì-ýéôîðèè íà÷àëà 90õ ÿ èçáàâèëñÿ, ïðî÷óâñòâîâàâ ïåðåìåíû íà ñîáñòâåííîé øêóðêå. Ñâîáîäà è äåìîêðàòèÿ - ýòî êîíå÷íî çàåáèñü, è ó ìåíÿ, â ìîè 30 ëåò åñòü êó÷à âîçìîæíîñòåé, íî ñîãëàñèñü, ýòî ñîâñåì íå òî ÷òî íàì îáåùàëè ñ òðèáóí â 87-91. È íèêàêàÿ "ñâîáîäà ñëîâà" íå ãðååò åæåëè æðàòü íå÷åãî, êàê áîëüøèíñòâó ïîæèëûõ ëþäåé â ïðîâèíöèè.

GrimCO · « **Reply #25 on:** June 23, 2003, 07:16:41 AM »

Just reminded me of a song...

Don't turn around, woh oh ohhhhh. Der Commisar's in town, woh oh ohhhhhhh.

Martlet · « **Reply #26 on:** June 23, 2003, 12:31:09 PM »

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Just reminded me of a song...

Don't turn around, woh oh ohhhhh. Der Commisar's in town, woh oh ohhhhhhh.

LMFAO

miko2d · « **Reply #27 on:** June 23, 2003, 12:58:22 PM »

Boroda,

I do not understand your attachment to Hanssen and your wish to have him avenged. After all, Hanssen commited his betrayal only because of financial considerations rather than idealistic ones. He knew all the time that he would not get executed if his treason get discovered while many of his victims were executed.

Also, there is really a distinction between people having freedom to act in a way that you would like them to but not doing so and them not having freedom to act at all.

Our mainstream press may be biased and corrupt but it is certainly free - probably the most free segment of this increasingly oppressed societty. They print what they want or rather what the people to whom they sell themselves - subscribers, advertisers and owners - want them to print. They are not dominated by the government or controled by the government though they can certainly be influenced by the government one way or another.

Also, you should stop using words "freedom" and "democracy" in one sentence (unless you want to exibit your ignorance). They have nothing to do with each other. Democracy is just the form of government.
The western concept of individual freedom appeared and flourished under limited monarchy form of government and democracies are usually historically associated with extinguising of freedom rather than promoting it.

I do not think you are a communist, just that you are still thinking in Marxist categories. If you really want answers to the questions you pose in your post, I suggest you read Hayek and Mises. It will not help you set tings straight onj a global scale but at least you will get clear understanding what is going on in both out countries and why and where it will end.

miko

Boroda · « **Reply #28 on:** June 23, 2003, 01:52:02 PM »

Miko, "freedom and democracy" is just a cliche used by people infected with "äåì-øèçà" (it's a quite common diagnosys here now). I use it as an ironic expression, or at least try to

As for free press - any press is sold out, except for marginals like "Limonka" that I mentioned in another thread. There can be no freedom when media is sponsored by certain social-political-financial groups. Even "inner censorship" affects "freedom". At least I believe so.

About Hanssen - I have read a book about him recently, and I was surprised that his motivation was very strange and can't be understood without serious medical analysys... Anyway, when I see people here cheering the execution of Rosenbergs - I hope I can make them understand that I can feel the same about traitors of my country.

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