Author Topic: Boroda, u happy about this? (Read 1930 times)

udet · « **on:** June 23, 2003, 01:03:24 PM »

"AP) - The government shut down the country's last large independent television station Sunday, forcing off the air a team of journalists at the center of a debate over Russian media freedom. TVS, created from the ashes of two other television stations that came into conflict with state-connected companies, was yanked off the air early Sunday. It was replaced with a new state-run sports channel. Some employees learned the station had been closed while listening to the radio on their way to work. "

Ripsnort · « **Reply #1 on:** June 23, 2003, 01:04:40 PM »

We call that the "BBC" here in the states.

-tronski- · « **Reply #2 on:** June 23, 2003, 01:23:45 PM »

Sounds more like the BBC being replaced with Foxnews...

Tronsky

Boroda · « **Reply #3 on:** June 23, 2003, 01:26:27 PM »

I still don't understand why they shut down TVC by force, it was about to go belly-up in a matter of days.

The whole NTV-TV6-TVC team was always pretending to be a "freedom of speech" fighters, at the same time belonging to olygarchyc groups, and changing their owners without any doubts.

I'll miss their programms, but there are dozens of journalists who are much more dangerous for the current regime, and not being hunted for. In fact Eugeniy Kiselev used "freedom of speech" as a marketing slogan. Majority of Russians are fed up by his fat face and constant whining. "Äà çàåáàë îí âñåõ, ïðèñòðåëèëè åãî". Don't cry "Wolves!" - it's exactly about him.

All that "freedom of speech" whiners start to howl when the sold-out journalists are being "shut down", but noone cares for independant media, both right or left-wing.

For me the worst "freedom of speech" abuse was a sentence to Edward Limonov, he got 4 years for "firearms posession" and merely escaped accusation in "armed uprising against political authority", mostly because our brass hats don't like his leftist activities and his newspaper Limonka.

His ideas are extremistic and doubtfull, but he got style and his paper is extremely funny, and he's definetly one of the best contemporary writeres...

Wlfgng · « **Reply #4 on:** June 23, 2003, 01:30:00 PM »

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but there are dozens of journalists who are much more dangerous for the current regime, and not being hunted for.

does this statement send shivers up everyone elses spines?
cripes... 'dangerous for the current regine'

lord dolf vader · « **Reply #5 on:** June 23, 2003, 01:34:48 PM »

hes using non bush speak. the words aren't alarming at all.

john9001 · « **Reply #6 on:** June 23, 2003, 01:52:59 PM »

freedom is in no way a threat to russia, it's simply redicules

Boroda · « **Reply #7 on:** June 23, 2003, 01:53:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Wlfgng
does this statement send shivers up everyone elses spines?
cripes... 'dangerous for the current regine'

Any state is an instrument of opression of personality.

Wlfgng · « **Reply #8 on:** June 23, 2003, 02:14:43 PM »

I don't see things the same way

and in my 'state' (sorry , couldn't resist) they condone rock and roll... my 'personality' is free to express itself as it sees fit

I can even run around the country (USA) speaking badly about the president of my country...
I can certainly speak my views and not worry about what the 'current regime' might think

but I still can't drink wine at work so I guess maybe I'll move to siberia

Ripsnort · « **Reply #9 on:** June 23, 2003, 02:17:55 PM »

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Originally posted by -tronski-
Sounds more like the BBC being replaced with Foxnews...

Tronsky

Not sure how you deducted that...

BBC=Gov't owned news service
Fox=Private company.

Pei · « **Reply #10 on:** June 23, 2003, 09:39:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Not sure how you deducted that...

BBC=Gov't owned news service
Fox=Private company.

BBC= mandated to be independent. Given that both major UK parties have already complained of BBC bias against them this year I think they are manageing that.
Also
BBC= most widely respected news organization in the world.

Foxnews=source of opinions of US conservatives: short on facts and long on interpretation.

I don't always agree with what the BBC says but then that's what I look for in a news service: the facts plus ciritcal, independant opinion.

If I was a US conservative who only ever wanted my opinions confirmed as right I'd watch Fox.

I'm sure you'll disagree with me but then hey, that's makes life fun.

Suave · « **Reply #11 on:** June 23, 2003, 09:50:17 PM »

I've watched Fox news once our twice, most of it was editorial, not news. Any highschool journalism student knows the difference . The BBC on the other hand is much more news, and certainly more cosmopolitan .

You have to remember that Fox news' purpose is to be profitable .

-tronski- · « **Reply #12 on:** June 24, 2003, 12:02:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Pei
BBC= mandated to be independent. Given that both major UK parties have already complained of BBC bias against them this year I think they are manageing that.
Also
BBC= most widely respected news organization in the world.

Foxnews=source of opinions of US conservatives: short on facts and long on interpretation.

I don't always agree with what the BBC says but then that's what I look for in a news service: the facts plus ciritcal, independant opinion.

If I was a US conservative who only ever wanted my opinions confirmed as right I'd watch Fox.

I'm sure you'll disagree with me but then hey, that's makes life fun.

Far better explained than I....

That was about the gist, the BBC maybe govt. owned but is far more able to be unbiased than a private company like Fox.

Tronsky

Pooh21 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 24, 2003, 04:59:16 AM »

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Originally posted by Wlfgng

but I still can't drink wine at work so I guess maybe I'll move to siberia

You can do that here in Germany! no need to go to that frozen commie hell.

Dowding · « **Reply #14 on:** June 24, 2003, 05:06:37 AM »

I'm still laughing at the way Ripsnort holds Fox to be some sort of centre of journalistic excellence... I mean, it's owned by Rupert Murdoch. The BBC isn't perfect, but at least isn't owned by the Dirty Digger.