Author Topic: Spit dweebery (Read 1386 times)

hogenbor · « **on:** June 24, 2003, 05:55:58 AM »

Spit dweebery

Didn't fly for some weeks. Logged in, grabbed a P51-B with 50% fuel and DT's, climbed a bit and pounced on a furball from above, some fight above a CV-group. Misjudged relative speed a bit when attacking a Spit, nearly collided but got a good shot in from close range. He dove into the ack and as there were no other NME fighters around I wisely flew on. Ages later I got the kill. Wasn't much to do, when I finally met a co-alt Spit I had to rtb because my fuel was low. A long flight without much satisfaction.

Then, trying to decide what to do next, I saw a guy land 10 kills with a Seafire. Never flew Spits much, too easy and didn't want to be called a dweeb. But I promised myself to try a few rides I'm not used to this tour and thought 'what the hell'. Took off with 100% fuel from a carrier near an NME field where a nice fight was developing. Even had to adjust the views, that had been a loooong time ago! Dragged a few people into the ack and had three kills quickly without firing a shot. Dweebish but fun. Then we could put some pressure on the NME and after some great minutes of intense air to air I realized I had 50% fuel left, 102 hispano rounds left and no less than 7 kills! I just used all the things I learned while flying more difficult planes, energy management, reversals, SA etc. and balanced on the thin line between diving for the ack and being able to hit the enemy without risk. Would have done the same in an F4U-1 or FM2. But what a great plane the Seafire is for this! Lead turning La-7's near blackout and simply swat the bastards without any trouble. Unbelievable energy retention in hard turns. Great acceleration from near stall to decent maneuvering speed. My improved gunnery also helped to save the Spit's small ammo load. When I had spent my cannon ammo on mauling a Ju-88 formation (sadly only one was killed) I decided I had to turn for home. Near the carrier I caught a lone TBM and shot that one down with my last bit of .303 ammo. 9 kills! But then my relative inexperience with the Seafire revealed itself. I plunked it down just a bit too hard on the carrier deck. 'You have crashed'. Some swearing was called for… 9 kills without a scratch and then not been able to land the damn thing! But a fun fight nonetheless. Would I have achieved the same in my beloved and very familiar FM-2? The landing would have gone much better, but 9kills? No.

Suave · « **Reply #1 on:** June 24, 2003, 06:17:53 AM »

I find kills in spitfires to be much more rewarding than kills in getaway planes . Last time I took a piggy51 up I got 6 kills, but zero fights . If that TBM pilot had known what he was doing you would've had a hell of a fight on your hands in a spitV .

My goal shifted from getting kills to getting fights years ago .

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 24, 2003, 06:19:57 AM »

Fm 2 is just that easy
np

those dweeb rides are good for base defending

hogenbor · « **Reply #3 on:** June 24, 2003, 07:08:11 AM »

When I started AH I tried to find fights, now I try primarly not to get killed while doing some killing myself. Everyone has to decide for himself on this of course. My bit of 'realism' is that I want to survive every mission like a real life fighter pilot would have done.

I have more than 300 kills in FM-2, it is the fighter I like the most and are the most familiar with. Never ever had 9 kills in that with so much ease.

And a TBM a tough nut to crack for a Spit V??? Sorry, but I don't understand why.

lazs2 · « **Reply #4 on:** June 24, 2003, 09:04:45 AM »

when there is no fuel I take up a 51b since 25% fuel is enough range to put most sane people to sleep...

How anyone ever dies in the 51 of anything but sheer boredom is beyond me... gotta be the easiest plane besides the dee9 to fly in the game.
lazs

Flyboy · « **Reply #5 on:** June 24, 2003, 09:11:09 AM »

i like the Fm2 alot and it very similar to the seafire

Fm2 climbs batter accelerate batter (up to a certien speed) and i like his guns
seafire is faster and has batter guns

i frequenly land 6-9 victories with a fm2
and i barely fly the seafire

and about "i never landed 9kills in a Fm2 with so ease"
you said yourself the 3 first kills where cause of Ack and 2 more where bombers, thats 4 kills of fighters

so i dont think its the plane who made it so easy, it was the situation

P.S

Spit dweeb

gofaster · « **Reply #6 on:** June 24, 2003, 09:35:12 AM »

I'm "in the red" on all of the Navy planes except for the Seafire, which I flew once for kicks and bagged 2 kills in turnfights before getting drilled by a gang from the airfield. Of all the Navy planes, the funnest is the Seafire - good blend of speed and turn. Second favorite is the FM2 - good turns, good weapon ballistics, and it has that Disney-esque look to it.

Grimm · « **Reply #7 on:** June 24, 2003, 10:32:05 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
when there is no fuel I take up a 51b since 25% fuel is enough range to put most sane people to sleep...

How anyone ever dies in the 51 of anything but sheer boredom is beyond me... gotta be the easiest plane besides the dee9 to fly in the game.
lazs

Hey Lazs,

No flames here, Im just wondering what you base that on. what makes you feel that the Dee9 and the Pee51 are so easy. I know they are both fast. Maybe because you can BnZ with them pretty easily?

I do fly the Dee9 (Dora) alot, and enjoy it. Im far from an expert pilot, Im stilling learning even after half a dozen years flying. to use energy effectively in most FWs you need to manage it well. use it poorly and you become easy prey for your enemy. Id say to energy fight well in one isnt exactly easy.

Maybe its because New pilots tend to use them?

Steve · « **Reply #8 on:** June 24, 2003, 11:53:50 AM »

Lazs, spend a tour in the P51 and don't die once, then your rant about them will be more than just hot air.
Now, in spite of that little disagreement, I've learned that you Lazs, yes you sir, are a genious!!! You fly the Fm2, and in it recently I've had more laughs and fun than I've had in a long time in the game. Oh, I know ya don't much care for me Lazs, that's ok.

I am just glad you kept mentioning the FM2 on the boards, it caused me to give the little bird a try. Thanks for that Lazs, I'm having a blast in it.

udet · « **Reply #9 on:** June 24, 2003, 12:00:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Suave
I find kills in spitfires to be much more rewarding than kills in getaway planes . Last time I took a piggy51 up I got 6 kills, but zero fights . If that TBM pilot had known what he was doing you would've had a hell of a fight on your hands in a spitV .

My goal shifted from getting kills to getting fights years ago .

just my sentiments Suave

hogenbor · « **Reply #10 on:** June 24, 2003, 12:41:10 PM »

Flying P51-B mainly because not many people are on-line when I am and it has range. This causes boredom but I always have a good book at hand.

But never mind lazs, I long ago found out that you get perverse pleasure out of disagreeing with people on the verge of being quite unacceptably socially inept. Would like to meet you some day, I really do.

Of course the first three kills were easy and some luck or inexperienced pilots were involved. But still I had to work a fair bit, numbers were fairly even most of the time. Good fun. I'm not that good, just pleasantly surprised with the Seafire. Still I don't think I'd do that well in an FM2, how much I love it. Seafire feels lighter and has hispanos, the FM2 has lots of ammo.

Gonna log in after a bite and if a good acrrier fight is on, I'll take the FM-2.

lazs2 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 24, 2003, 02:45:19 PM »

steve... fly the fm2 for a tour without getting killed in it... try to maintain oh, k/h of say 5 or more. I know I could fly the 51b and have very few deaths... it would just be boring as hell.

I wish more people would fly the fm2... it has been my sad experiance that the few who do fly it aren't very good. I would love to run into some of you super pilots who land these huge sorties.. A big deal for me is say 4-7 kills. Mostly more like 2 or 3 tho.

even with my mediocre record.... I rarely get killed by another FM2...

If more guys flew the Fm2 then..... they would be forced to fight (you ain't runnin in the thing) and.... I would have some really good fights... you high kill super pilots could show me your stuff.

lazs

Steve · « **Reply #12 on:** June 24, 2003, 03:52:18 PM »

Lazs, I never said anywhere that I as a "high skill super pilot".
In fact, I never said I was good. I AM guilty of saying I've had some success in the game and that I've improved since I started.
If you equate that into "high skill super pilot" I guess that's your prerogative.
As for flying a tour in any plane without dying, well I'm not capable of that. I'm too aggressive, I get bored easily, and I'm not good enough. I know, here's the part where you toss in some sarcastic remark about me being aggressive, or some other slight. Well, my K/H isn't stellar, I know. but at almost 9 in fighter and over 12 in attack, it isn't horrible either.
Tell you what I will do though, I'll fly the FM2 for the whole tour in August(I'm on vacation for much of July), and we'll see how I do. I would really like to go to the DA with you though so I could get some lessons in the FM2, if you are so inclined. I love learning things in the DA. Shane has taught me a ton in the one or two times we've gone.... would you mind?

SlapShot · « **Reply #13 on:** June 24, 2003, 04:32:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
Lazs, I never said anywhere that I as a "high skill super pilot".
In fact, I never said I was good. I AM guilty of saying I've had some success in the game and that I've improved since I started.
If you equate that into "high skill super pilot" I guess that's your prerogative.
As for flying a tour in any plane without dying, well I'm not capable of that. I'm too aggressive, I get bored easily, and I'm not good enough. I know, here's the part where you toss in some sarcastic remark about me being aggressive, or some other slight. Well, my K/H isn't stellar, I know. but at almost 9 in fighter and over 12 in attack, it isn't horrible either.
Tell you what I will do though, I'll fly the FM2 for the whole tour in August(I'm on vacation for much of July), and we'll see how I do. I would really like to go to the DA with you though so I could get some lessons in the FM2, if you are so inclined. I love learning things in the DA. Shane has taught me a ton in the one or two times we've gone.... would you mind?

Uh-Oh !!! Steve is coming down into the weeds !!!

I flew the FM2 alot in Tour 32 and had good success with it (247 kills - 139 deaths). I will go to the DA with ya anytime and mix it up with you if you want.

Not quite as experienced as Lasz ... but I can act as a good drone !!!

Rude and the boyz are very good in the FM2 also ... I speak from experience.

Hornet · « **Reply #14 on:** June 24, 2003, 05:56:28 PM »

51 and fm2 are both in the same boat...SA breakdown is the only reason you should die. 51 has no excuse for letting anyone get close, fm2 has no excuse if they can't make someone miss.